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The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service

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Re: The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service

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mileycyrusXOXO wrote: post #105
sidcool wrote: post #77

What would be the advantage here?

From the /r/tor thread System33 posted a comment[0] originally by Alec Muffet explaining why Facebook set up a TOR service, which may answer some of your questions: Why would anyone run a legal onion service? Thanks Alec Muffett (OP) for the following summary copied from this comment Understandably folk tend to think "Anonymity!" when talking about Tor Onions, but in rolling out the Facebook onion we established seve…

Is this mainly intended for people from non-western countries who need a channel for free speech? Because apart from that I see no point in FB offering an onion service. If anonymity, discretion and trust are what I am looking for than surely FB itself is one of the least appropriate platforms for me.

Re: The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service

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Post by grzm »

cJ0th wrote: post #200
grzm wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > "Some readers choose to use Tor to access our journalism because they’re technically blocked from accessing our website; or because they worry about local network monitoring; or because they care about online privacy; or simply because that is the method that they prefer."

That's still a bit of a non answer. More to the point: Why does a mainstream news outlet care about this small group of people?

What's your working definition of "mainstream news outlet"? I can't think of a reasonable one that precludes them from broadening their reach. And given their size, they are more likely to have the resources to do so.

Also, there are large populations where network monitoring and/or content restrictions are part of everyday life. The New York Times experienced this directly with respect to their iOS app in China.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/business/media/new-york-t...

Edit to add: To turn it around, why shouldn't the NYT do this? That isn't snark: I'm interested in hearing substantial reasons for the skepticism implicit in 'pbarnes_1 original question. Granted, I haven't read all of the comments for this submission, I haven't seen any that convincingly argue this isn't a useful thing.

Re: The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service

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Post by cJ0th »

grzm wrote: post #202
cJ0th wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's still a bit of a non answer. More to the point: Why does a mainstream news outlet care about this small group of people?

What's your working definition of "mainstream news outlet"? I can't think of a reasonable one that precludes them from broadening their reach. And given their size, they are more likely to have the resources to do so. Also, there are large populations where network monitoring and/or content restrictions are part of everyday life. The New York Times experienced this directly with respect to their iOS app in China. htt…

> What's your working definition of "mainstream news outlet"?

A news outlet with a "one size fits most" attitude. That is, they offer a product which caters to people who could be described as "average". Typically companies focus their energy only on (potential) customers, not those who aren't a good fit for the product in the first place. There probably are more profit-promising people out there for the NYT than those who are somewhat crypto-nerds. They don't like clicking ads, some may even feel uneasy using typical payment methods to buy a subscription.

> Also there are large populations where network monitoring and/or content restrictions are part of everyday life.

yeah, that's reasonable.

Re: The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service

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Post by nobodyorother »

nobodyorother wrote: post #44

Does the onion service still serve the same advertisements their website and mobile app do? If so, they're leaving their users-who-want-to-stay-relatively-anonymous open to attack via the advertisement vector. Members of that group would be considered high-value targets simply due to their anonymity desires. I can't see the number of daily users being large enough that they'd lose significant profit by closing that a…

As of last weekend, NYT-over-onion serves ads like their other entry points do.

Re: The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service

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Post by juliangoldsmith »

alloyed wrote: post #177
juliangoldsmith wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got literally any sources?

This is pretty defineably public record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93Russia_do... notably: it's not the GOP the organization that initial funded the oppo, but a private news org with conservative leanings. and the FBI did not fund the dossier, but were provided it during its creation. (side note: who cares) When it comes to corroboration: I would think the special investigation is good enough e…

>I would think the special investigation is good enough evidence that the claims of Russian cooperation are being taken seriously, no?

How would you tell the claims being taken seriously from the investigators trying to use the legal system to get dirt on Donald Trump?

At this point, the investigation has been ongoing for around 10 months, and currently they've only found anything on Paul Manafort, who was Trump's campaign manager for a few months.

The charges against Manafort are essentially failing to disclose lobbying for foreign agents, tax evasion, and money laundering [0]. The lobbying was done while Manafort was working for the Podesta Group, which was founded by Hillary Clinton's campaign manager [1].

On a side note, I find it interesting how Wikipedia doesn't have any information on Manafort's involvement with the Podesta Group.

[0]: https://www.justice.gov/sco

[1]: https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/podesta-group-paul-ma...

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