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That's because it's just a landing page for now. That will change on Monday.
Fiat vs. Bitcoin
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Re: Fiat vs. Bitcoin
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could I guess but it's really better to just use a credit card. Your CC company rewards you for using it while a Bitcoin transaction is the opposite - it costs you money to spend BTC. If you want anonymity, use cash. If not, use a credit card.
Do you really believe that the CC rewards are free?!? You, the customer, ultimately pay for them. Purchase by CC costs the merchants money (how much is it nowadays, around 2-3%?), the merchants pass that price increase on to customers (regardless whether they pay by cash or credit card nonetheless).
By that logic then it makes even more sense to use the credit card over both cash and coin. If the transaction price is getting bundled into the overall price of the article I'm buying, why would I pay in cash and lose credit cart protections and loyalty points? Or even worse, why would I pay in bitcoin and lose the same as above and incur a transaction fee myself?
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
very valid analysis, but how do you identify "countries that have really bad money" ? it doesn't happen overnight so which countries are going to face monetary issues in next 5-10 years, hard to tell? and unfortunately general public doesn't proactively monitor(and it is too complicated for public to understand because for some reason most of the primary schools don't educate about personal finance and monetary syste…
That's a very good point. A technology can get screwed up. Maybe that's a good reason for identifying it as a technology, so that people don't think it grows on trees, and are more inclined to keep an eye on it. One indicator might just be a flight from a bad money system to a good one. I once met a person who ran a factory in Brazil during a period of hyper inflation, and he kept his money in US dollars. A bigger fe…
agree 100% :)
Re: Fiat vs. Bitcoin
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you really believe that the CC rewards are free?!? You, the customer, ultimately pay for them. Purchase by CC costs the merchants money (how much is it nowadays, around 2-3%?), the merchants pass that price increase on to customers (regardless whether they pay by cash or credit card nonetheless).
By that logic then it makes even more sense to use the credit card over both cash and coin. If the transaction price is getting bundled into the overall price of the article I'm buying, why would I pay in cash and lose credit cart protections and loyalty points? Or even worse, why would I pay in bitcoin and lose the same as above and incur a transaction fee myself?
Assuming the merchant doesn't charge extra for using a credit card
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> speculation driven by scarcity which makes it interesting as to why Ripples get "so much" value as a currency that has so many "coins". From Coinmarketcap[1], the circulating supply of ripples is 38,531,538,922 while bitcoin is limited to 21,000,000. The other interesting thing is that Ripples "distribute" its coin as opposed to letting miners mine them. I know nothing about economics so I would be interested to kn…
Ripple is not decentralized at all. They've zero intention to bring decentralization, all they're trying to do is give banks a technology that can speed up remittances. Why do you need blockchain for that specially if you will be using banks anyways? Why can't banks speed up remittances on their own. Just do some basic search on the guy who created it, stellar lumens, mt gox, 70% tokens held by a few company individu…
not suggesting that they are not credible or anything but I think their technology shouldn't excite people that much. And may be rather than public funding this bank's side project, perhaps banks can use some of their profits to develop this on their own or with Ripple or at least may be it should be funded by large investors who have large stakes in banks. Just ponder upon, why should you fund this experiment/technology?
Re: Fiat vs. Bitcoin
#66By any reasonable definition, Bitcoin is a fiat currency. Unlike commodities like gold or silver, it has no inherent value whatsoever, and no applications for industrial use or jewellery. Bitcoin is a fiat currency because it only has value while some group of humans collectively agree to pretend that is has value. The same as dollars or yen.
The key difference, though, is that fiat currency is easily debased because whoever controls it can print more, while Bitcoin does not have a single owner and can only change if the majority of miners agree to do so.
Why should we have any more faith in the miners? They have a self interest to divert the wealth stored in Bitcoin to themselves, which doesn’t align with my interests as a coin holder.
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#68I think that currency volatility won't be a problem in the future. Everything will be online and prices of items will update in real time to reflect supply and demand relative to any digital currency of your choice. It will be like in the old days when people used to haggle over the price of everything.
I guess you would also haggle continuously over your per-second wage?
there's a lot of talk about stablecoins. I think it is a great idea but what we define as "stable" is fiat currency. The whole idea of creating this website is to make people think if fiat is really stable?
So, if we think about what is best way to create stablecoins. We should look at it from first principles, i.e. stable relative to what?(probably we want it to be stable relative to everyday commodities we consume I would guess) and how do we make sure people don't use to speculate its moves? I don't have an answer but I think it is a tough one at least for me.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
By that logic then it makes even more sense to use the credit card over both cash and coin. If the transaction price is getting bundled into the overall price of the article I'm buying, why would I pay in cash and lose credit cart protections and loyalty points? Or even worse, why would I pay in bitcoin and lose the same as above and incur a transaction fee myself?
Assuming the merchant doesn't charge extra for using a credit card
Which they don't and also it's illegal. You can charge less for cash, but no one does that. (Except your one or two examples out of the thousands of stores)
Re: Fiat vs. Bitcoin
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
> By any reasonable definition, Bitcoin is a fiat currency. Sure, if you entirely change the definition of fiat currency. A fiat currency gets its value by being declared by government as legal tender, and then required by law to be accepted in a jurisdiction. Bitcoin might share the "no intrinsic value" property of fiat, but that does not make it fiat. It's pretty much the opposite of fiat in every other respect. Ev…
> speculation driven by scarcity which makes it interesting as to why Ripples get "so much" value as a currency that has so many "coins". From Coinmarketcap[1], the circulating supply of ripples is 38,531,538,922 while bitcoin is limited to 21,000,000. The other interesting thing is that Ripples "distribute" its coin as opposed to letting miners mine them. I know nothing about economics so I would be interested to kn…
Why people put money in certain things is always a discussion, well the financial markets are better representative of people's opinion. Right now it is couple of billions in market cap. I agree with you and I'm very skeptical. But they at least seem to be doing something. What about 100s of other cryptocoins, just look at their github repos - nothing at all and they're worth hundres of millions(atleast as of now).