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Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by mrmondo »

ddevault wrote: post #104
ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

Check out cjdns for a less stupid, less blockchain BS take on fixing the internet. https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

While the project is interesting, what is up with running it off nodejs!?

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by ejanus »

ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

I agree with your point . But there is a company out there called Althea-mesh,http://altheamesh.com. They have not raised a dime, however they have proof of concept products. Their next move is building commercial products.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by [deleted] »

davidsalamon wrote: post #146
dmitrygr wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe next draft? :p Looking forward to it :) Also, what about the other half of my points? ;)

> Also, what about the other half of my points? ;) Oh, sure, sorry about that. Did you edit the post I replied to? It looks like I only missed two points: > But it gets better. While you can use anyone as a relay, you PREPAY them before they do any work for you. This is claimed to solve the problem of nonpayment, but nobody mentions the opposite problem: I take your money and do no work for you. The money cannot be t…

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Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

mrmondo wrote: post #161
ddevault wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out cjdns for a less stupid, less blockchain BS take on fixing the internet. https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

While the project is interesting, what is up with running it off nodejs!?

What? It's written in C.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

r0fls wrote: post #93
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #78

It's Tor but with a worse website and more decentralised? I think the website could be better if it said right at the top what it actually does and what it offers over competing services.

Are you talking about https://www.torproject.org ? We have different standards for websites it seems. That looks like it jumped out of the mid 90s to me.

Tor’s website actually tells you what it does.

And the design is nothing to scoff at. It’s not hip, but it’s functional and readable.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by davidsalamon »

g_simonsson wrote: post #50
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #33

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Whitepaper abstract says you use "A blockchain-based stochastic payment mechanism with transaction costs on the order of a packet". But how is such a blockchain transaction scalable to the entire internet when considering that it does a transaction for every packet? (pretend you're talking to someone who won't read the article).

The actual payment tickets (a small data structured signed by the sender) may be sent every 100 packets - we have yet to configure this. The cool thing is that we could send one ticket per packet, but likely that would be too much CPU overhead (ECDSA verification is bottleneck when verifying a ticket)

Hi, another author from the paper here.

> Whitepaper abstract says you use "A blockchain-based stochastic payment mechanism with transaction costs on the order of a packet". But how is such a blockchain transaction scalable to the entire internet when considering that it does a transaction for every packet? (pretend you're talking to someone who won't read the article).

I'd like to add to Mr. Simonsson's excellent answer that stochastic payments allow you to remove "dust-type" transactions from the blockchain.

Imagine I wanted to send you $0.01 100 million times, for a total of $1 million dollars. Let's also imagine that the transaction fees associated with 100 million blockchain payments are high enough that we'd like to control them. If instead of actually sending you $0.01 each time I send payment, I send you a provably fair lottery ticket with an expected value of $0.01 (for example, a lottery ticket with a 1/10,000 chance of being worth $100), this doesn't change the number of payments I need to send you, or your expected profit, but will decrease the number of transactions which need to be committed to the blockchain by the inverse win-rate (in our example, we'd reduce the number of transactions by a factor of 10,000). This allows the effective transaction costs to be arbitrarily low, down to the order of a packet (as at that point, physically sending you the lottery ticket starts to dominate the transaction costs.)

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by lgierth »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #164
mrmondo wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the project is interesting, what is up with running it off nodejs!?

What? It's written in C.

The build system is written in nodejs -- it turned out way faster than both CMake and classic Makefiles.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by emerged »

ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

Exactly. I ditched one of these save-the-world projects recently because they did little but talk about fundraising and how to distribute their buttload of tokens to each other.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by detaro »

th-ai wrote: post #150
ddevault wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out cjdns for a less stupid, less blockchain BS take on fixing the internet. https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

Is cjdns more of same address-centric hosting? If y, would not NDN content-addressing be the more smarter internet fix? http://youtu.be/opKJsVTcofg#t=164 Ask the network for what you want. Not say 'who' you wanna talk to, but say 'what' you want.

Smarter for what exactly? content-addressing is great if what you are looking for is pieces of content, it's not if you want to talk to services.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by blurbleblurble »

storge wrote: post #87
blurbleblurble wrote: post #83

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Call me zealous, but I'm the same way. I'm wary of the potential for monetary incentives to skew actual demand. I've seen how digital advertising has more or less destroyed much of the internet. Hopefully decentralization will prevent monopolies or oligopolies from forming, but I'm not so sure about that. At this point, it's hard to say what actual distributions of wealth might look like if people start using cryptoc…

I read your comment and I picture a sort of information balkanization via endless whack-a-mole of privacy tech and organizational surveillance. It may just be how it will ever be.

Information is the real resource.
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