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Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by _Tev »

seabird wrote: post #233
ryguytilidie wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhhh, did you miss the tweets where he threatened Nuclear Holocaust on North Koreans if they didn't start behaving the way he wanted?

You're being completely and totally intellectually dishonest. North Korea is a nuclear threat with an extremely vulnerable neighbor. Trump's interest in a first strike has nothing to do with eradicating the North Korean people. Again, trying to justify your strong feelings about Trump by fabricating these insane narratives does nothing but hurt you and your political causes .

> You're being completely and totally intellectually dishonest.

> Trump's interest in a first strike has nothing to do with eradicating the North Korean people.

How was it again?

> Addressing dishonesty with hyperbole is not helping anyone.

Oh. Right.

I think both of you are failing to convince anyone.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by _Tev »

lucas_maximus83 wrote: post #237
odammit wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People called Obama one too. I think the difference is the subtle embrace of white supremacy via the inability to dismiss or criticize those “good people” on both sides.

Growing up as a kid in the late 80s and 90s the whole message from society was "Racism and Sexism is bad, treat everyone equally". Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen". This is the thing that has led to a growing white supremacy movement, even Jared Taylor (a prominent white supremacist in the US) has said so "They are driving them [white men] into…

> Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen"

> Ridiculous comments like yours

I like the irony.

Frankly, from outsiders perspective, both sides seem ridiculous and hypersensitive. Except one side keeps pushing tax cuts for the rich and the other tries to implement some of things we in Europe consider standard.

But neither side is good at convincing anyone. Or even good at seeming at least a little reasonable in these discussions.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by lucas_maximus83 »

_Tev wrote: post #242
lucas_maximus83 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Growing up as a kid in the late 80s and 90s the whole message from society was "Racism and Sexism is bad, treat everyone equally". Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen". This is the thing that has led to a growing white supremacy movement, even Jared Taylor (a prominent white supremacist in the US) has said so "They are driving them [white men] into…

> Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen" > Ridiculous comments like yours I like the irony. Frankly, from outsiders perspective, both sides seem ridiculous and hypersensitive. Except one side keeps pushing tax cuts for the rich and the other tries to implement some of things we in Europe consider standard. But neither side is good at convincing anyon…

> I like the irony.

In my home country in the BBC there was a woman pretty much saying that White British people are racist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41148872/sacked-model-all-wh...

This is one example but I been seeing this shit turn up on social media for the last 2 years. It could be cognitive bias, or I am noticing it more. But it is definitely there.

> Except one side keeps pushing tax cuts for the rich and the other tries to implement some of things we in Europe consider standard.

Except as someone that lives in Europe (I lived in Spain, the UK and Germany) most of the things that are standard in Europe don't work. The NHS has botch the treatment of my right shoulder and while I am not disabled, I now have a permanent weakness in my right side of my body.

In Spain there is massive unemployment and the country economy is permanently crashed (I lived in La Linea and the unemployment rate was 48%). Regular utilities like rubbish disposal stopped for 2 or 3 months because there was no money to pay the bin men (Garbage man for those in the US).

"Tax cuts for the rich". LOL. You know if you tax the rich too highly they basically leave the country or they find a loophole round it. That is why there is are measures like an affective tax rate. In the UK where they keep on tightening up tax laws most of the large companies are in Ireland or off shore in one of the crown dependencies such as Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Gibraltar etc. I paid more tax than Starbucks last year and I run a small hosting company. So I get fucked by tax rate increases for businesses and individuals because I just about fit into that bracket of the so called rich.

Also a lot of these tax the rich laws never take into account where you live. I used to live in Manchester in the UK and I was earning £30,000 and I lived very comfortably. If I lived in London I would barely be able to afford the rent.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by odammit »

lucas_maximus83 wrote: post #237
odammit wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People called Obama one too. I think the difference is the subtle embrace of white supremacy via the inability to dismiss or criticize those “good people” on both sides.

Growing up as a kid in the late 80s and 90s the whole message from society was "Racism and Sexism is bad, treat everyone equally". Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen". This is the thing that has led to a growing white supremacy movement, even Jared Taylor (a prominent white supremacist in the US) has said so "They are driving them [white men] into…

He’s not subtle at all. It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t like non-whites. Or at least prefers to judge them if you want to wear kid gloves.

He tried to skate by not criticizing the Charlottesville nazis/“protectors” of southern heritage/whatever they want to call themselves when he’s pretty quick to criticize any nonwhite race that commits violence or a crime.

Sources: the passage of time cross referenced with the garbage that tumbles out of his mouth and/or thumbs.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by lucas_maximus83 »

odammit wrote: post #244
lucas_maximus83 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Growing up as a kid in the late 80s and 90s the whole message from society was "Racism and Sexism is bad, treat everyone equally". Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen". This is the thing that has led to a growing white supremacy movement, even Jared Taylor (a prominent white supremacist in the US) has said so "They are driving them [white men] into…

He’s not subtle at all. It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t like non-whites. Or at least prefers to judge them if you want to wear kid gloves. He tried to skate by not criticizing the Charlottesville nazis/“protectors” of southern heritage/whatever they want to call themselves when he’s pretty quick to criticize any nonwhite race that commits violence or a crime. Sources: the passage of time cross referenced with the garb…

http://worldlibertytv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dr.Abbe...

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.11610613.1458769415!/ht...

http://hiddenamericans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/images...

Sorry you are talking bullshit. Why would someone that didn't likes black people would be seen being photographed with Jessie Jackson and James Brown .... Doesn't make any sense.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by dang »

lucas_maximus83 wrote: post #245
odammit wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s not subtle at all. It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t like non-whites. Or at least prefers to judge them if you want to wear kid gloves. He tried to skate by not criticizing the Charlottesville nazis/“protectors” of southern heritage/whatever they want to call themselves when he’s pretty quick to criticize any nonwhite race that commits violence or a crime. Sources: the passage of time cross referenced with the garb…

http://worldlibertytv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dr.Abbe... http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.11610613.1458769415!/ht... http://hiddenamericans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/images... Sorry you are talking bullshit. Why would someone that didn't likes black people would be seen being photographed with Jessie Jackson and James Brown .... Doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by seabird »

ryguytilidie wrote: post #238
seabird wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being completely and totally intellectually dishonest. North Korea is a nuclear threat with an extremely vulnerable neighbor. Trump's interest in a first strike has nothing to do with eradicating the North Korean people. Again, trying to justify your strong feelings about Trump by fabricating these insane narratives does nothing but hurt you and your political causes .

"trying to justify your strong feelings about Trump by fabricating these insane narratives" This is the first time we've ever interacted and you're projecting my feelings? Great, we're off to a good start here. From there, I'm "fabricating a narrative" because I implied that casually threatening to kill millions of people on twitter might be what someone else was referring to as "genocidal"? You know what is WAY more…

I questioned the (incorrect) usage of the word "genocidal". There are no ifs, ands, or buts; not every mass killing/death is a genocide. A nuclear first strike against the DPRK in the current political climate would have nothing to do with a deliberate eradication of a certain ethnicity/nationality and everything to do with the DPRK being a nuclear threat in a nuclear world.

You responded to my questioning by trying to qualify the argument with his Twitter antics. Since you're supporting the argument (or at least trying to justify the sentiment of labeling something that wouldn't be a genocide a genocide), I think we can reasonably assume that you're not a fan of Trump's idea of a first strike. The tone of your writing heavily implies that, so if you're actually in support of (or not directly opposed to) a first strike, but simultaneously argue that people could reasonably mistake a first strike for a deliberate, focused genocide, a small disclaimer that you're arguing in support of two dissonant ideas really helps people understand what you're trying to say. Similarly, unless your political alignment and actual viewpoints on the subject are highly dissonant, your politics are pretty easy to extrapolate.

To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), there is no indication that Trump has any intention to eradicate the North Korean people. To argue that Trump's intention with a first strike would be to eradicate the North Korean people would require you to fabricate reasoning behind such an action. To argue that someone is justified in the genocide argument is to admit that they're fabricating that reasoning or narrative.

Not even once did I try to minimize the casualties a first strike would have.

I never said that the original argument was necessarily wrong. I did say that the general populace will make arguments to logic, and making individual points that are blatantly wrong except in the most liberal interpretation of the wording just enables the general populace to do so.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by jjeaff »

sanderjd wrote: post #114
jjeaff wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although few have any experience operating at that scale, one can make comparisons. I do find it curious that WhatsApp was operating at a much larger scale in terms of users and messages processed when they were sold to Facebook. And they had 55 employees. So obviously you don't need 4,000 employees for the technology at this scale. I'm not sure what in the world the other 3,945 employees are doing though.

You don't see how person to person and small group messaging is a more difficult engineering challenge than personalized feed multicast? It's also simpler to sell subscriptions than to sell targeted ads - there's at least one whole other product we don't see, which Twitter's advertisers use, and it's probably a few different ones for different sizes and kinds of advertisers. Clearly, there's also a whole group workin…

Yes, I see some differences and added complexity. I don't see a nearly 100x difference. Sure, it's arrogant to question them with little inside knowledge. But I have been in business long enough to know that big, public companies do really, really stupid things sometimes.

I'm guessing you would have called people arrogant for questioning Equifax's security practices. After all, it's an enormous company with thousands of skilled employees (interestingly, only about 2x as many employees as Twitter and an arguably much more complex tech stack) and security experts checking and consulting. How could they possibly be wrong!?!

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by jjeaff »

FilterSweep wrote: post #123
jjeaff wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although few have any experience operating at that scale, one can make comparisons. I do find it curious that WhatsApp was operating at a much larger scale in terms of users and messages processed when they were sold to Facebook. And they had 55 employees. So obviously you don't need 4,000 employees for the technology at this scale. I'm not sure what in the world the other 3,945 employees are doing though.

> I do find it curious that WhatsApp was operating at a much larger scale in terms of users and messages processed when they were sold to Facebook I recommend you search around HN before you make sweeping generalizations, there are numerous threads that explain how or why WhatsApp were capable of doing what they were. From a technical perspective, as a "core product", Twitter's business has more abstractions To get y…

Does Twitter's business have 100x more abstractions? Because they have about 100x more employees.

Re: Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit

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Post by ryguytilidie »

seabird wrote: post #247
ryguytilidie wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"trying to justify your strong feelings about Trump by fabricating these insane narratives" This is the first time we've ever interacted and you're projecting my feelings? Great, we're off to a good start here. From there, I'm "fabricating a narrative" because I implied that casually threatening to kill millions of people on twitter might be what someone else was referring to as "genocidal"? You know what is WAY more…

I questioned the (incorrect) usage of the word "genocidal". There are no ifs, ands, or buts; not every mass killing/death is a genocide. A nuclear first strike against the DPRK in the current political climate would have nothing to do with a deliberate eradication of a certain ethnicity/nationality and everything to do with the DPRK being a nuclear threat in a nuclear world. You responded to my questioning by trying…

Perhaps instead of writing proofs about how you came to believe what someone elses beliefs are, you could either:

a) Not do that.

b) Ask them what their views are if you're actually curious.

Cheers.

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