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The Trouble with High IQ

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Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by YaxelPerez »

austincheney wrote: post #23

I am above average intelligence and nothing pisses me off more than stupid people (especially stupid people gathering in large numbers). I can withstand nearby gunshots or explosions without emotional stress (I am military), but stupid people proclaiming their awesome wisdom really alters my emotional state. I had to stop visiting Ars Technica. Their news is great, but I wish I could turn the comments at the bottom c…

Getting mad because there are dumb people is like getting upset because rain exists. They're both forces of nature (and ones that you can choose to avoid for the most part).

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by sage76 »

On a tangent, does anyone here have any experience with other high IQ societies like the triple nine society?

Are they any good for networking (especially for people not in the US/Canada)?

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by mikestew »

austincheney wrote: post #23

I am above average intelligence and nothing pisses me off more than stupid people (especially stupid people gathering in large numbers). I can withstand nearby gunshots or explosions without emotional stress (I am military), but stupid people proclaiming their awesome wisdom really alters my emotional state. I had to stop visiting Ars Technica. Their news is great, but I wish I could turn the comments at the bottom c…

1Blocker will hide the comments section of most sites. Or, if and when your outlook matures, you’ll find more productive uses for your rage. “Because stupid people...” is the lazy thinker’s way out. To paraphrase Jesus, “the stupid you will always have with you.”

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by pfarnsworth »

nugget wrote: post #28
pfarnsworth wrote: post #19

My children have had their IQs tested with scores >= 150. This was a requirement for the private schools that we applied them to, it wasn't something we were particularly interested in scoring. One thing we've learned about high IQ children is that many experience asynchronous development, meaning that some parts of their development are much faster than others, which could actually be delayed. Things like emotional…

Do these schools differ from the top tier private schools in the Northeast (Andover, Exeter) or are they just the West Coast equivalents?

Unfortunately I don't know anything about the schools outside of the Bay Area.

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by pfarnsworth »

arkitaip wrote: post #20
pfarnsworth wrote: post #19

My children have had their IQs tested with scores >= 150. This was a requirement for the private schools that we applied them to, it wasn't something we were particularly interested in scoring. One thing we've learned about high IQ children is that many experience asynchronous development, meaning that some parts of their development are much faster than others, which could actually be delayed. Things like emotional…

If you knowingly put your kids in a school for the gifted, didn't you expect them to evaluate their giftedness?

Where did I say I didn't expect them to be evaluated?

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by coldtea »

jey wrote: post #34
coldtea wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Secondly, I have concerns about the sample. This wasn’t a study of high-IQ people. It was a study of Mensans, a self-selected subgroup of high-IQ people Sounds like a BS reason to dismiss the findings. Any reason to believe that this "self-selection" has any impact on the people involved regarding "regular" non-mensa high IQ people? > In other words, Mensans make up about 0.8% of high-IQs, and Karpinski et al. have…

No, the "methodology" of using a very self-selected group to represent the whole is certainly and unambiguously complete methodological bullshit. The problem is known as "confounding variables" or "common latent cause". For example, people with anxiety and depression may be more likely to join a club like Mensa. There's certainly interesting questions to explore here, but we shouldn't settle for this extremely weak s…

>For example, people with anxiety and depression may be more likely to join a club like Mensa.

I already covered that though -- and said that if there was a reason to suspect a problem with the selection, then that would be an argument (and would have to be explicitly brought forth as such).

Alone that Mensa is a small subset of the high IQ population (as was put forth) is not.

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by JepZ »

matt4077 wrote: post #27
JepZ wrote: post #10

> Each was asked to self-report their experiences of both diagnosed and/or suspected [...] disorders So who else sees a problem with the methodology here. I mean, it sounds as if the data was collected in a different way than the data it was compared to.

That particular caveat is actually mentioned in the paper: With the self-report, survey method there is often a risk of selective recollection of data as well as potential over- or under-reporting. However, there are numerous published, peer reviewed articles in highly reputable journals that use a self-report method, including those that use data sets which rely heavily on survey data (e.g., Der, Batty, & Deary, 200…

Thanks for the quote.

I am just wondering if '...empirical research has confirmed that self-reported health ratings are reliable...' is still true if you pre-select the individuals to have a high IQ.

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by brad0 »

31b3r3t7 wrote: post #33
markcmyers wrote: post #6

Mensa members are a small subpopulation of Americans with high IQ, so it's a stretch to conclude that high IQ is the problem. To me it's more plausible that someone seeking to boost self-esteem and social status by joining a weird organization tends to be a more troubled person than intelligent people in general.

It may only be a coincidence, but I do have high IQ and exactly the kinds of problems they mention in the article. I'm not American or a member of Mensa. I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and inflamatory reactions to certain foods. I also have high anxiety. Strong emotions or stress can be overwhelming enough to give me gastritis or even ulcers sometimes.

I’ll second this. I have the same as you - autoimmune issues that cause hypothyroidism. Stress and anxiety that debilitates me at times. Not American, not Mensa too.

Just anecdotal but at least there’s two of us :)

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by scotty79 »

austincheney wrote: post #23

I am above average intelligence and nothing pisses me off more than stupid people (especially stupid people gathering in large numbers). I can withstand nearby gunshots or explosions without emotional stress (I am military), but stupid people proclaiming their awesome wisdom really alters my emotional state. I had to stop visiting Ars Technica. Their news is great, but I wish I could turn the comments at the bottom c…

Install "Stylish" browser extension and apply any bit of CSS you like to any page you want. You can hide whatever, resize, reshape, recolor.

Re: The Trouble with High IQ

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Post by austincheney »

YaxelPerez wrote: post #51
austincheney wrote: post #23

I am above average intelligence and nothing pisses me off more than stupid people (especially stupid people gathering in large numbers). I can withstand nearby gunshots or explosions without emotional stress (I am military), but stupid people proclaiming their awesome wisdom really alters my emotional state. I had to stop visiting Ars Technica. Their news is great, but I wish I could turn the comments at the bottom c…

Getting mad because there are dumb people is like getting upset because rain exists. They're both forces of nature (and ones that you can choose to avoid for the most part).

The same could be said of any cause for getting mad.
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