I wonder if anyone will point out that limiting their study to Mensa members was a mistake.
Oh wait, that is what most of the comments are saying.
The Trouble with High IQ
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#22Of course there is a bias in this study with people in Mensa. There is also an added bias: people tested for IQ (in Europe) are tested because of behaviour issues usually.
the interesting question is imho what do you think (from your experience).
Are you/your friends with high IQ psychological issues? I've read previously that high IQ protects from such trouble
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#23I am above average intelligence and nothing pisses me off more than stupid people (especially stupid people gathering in large numbers). I can withstand nearby gunshots or explosions without emotional stress (I am military), but stupid people proclaiming their awesome wisdom really alters my emotional state.
I had to stop visiting Ars Technica. Their news is great, but I wish I could turn the comments at the bottom completely off. Their comments (really from any news site) are a marvel in the study of stupid people coming together (commonly referred to as an echo chamber).
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#24Neuroskeptic is, unsurprisingly, skeptical: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/10/22/in... Secondly, I have concerns about the sample. This wasn’t a study of high-IQ people. It was a study of Mensans, a self-selected subgroup of high-IQ people. 6.5 million Americans fall in the top 2% of IQ, and only 55,000 of them are members of American Mensa. In other words, Mensans make up about 0.8% of high-IQs,…
>Secondly, I have concerns about the sample. This wasn’t a study of high-IQ people. It was a study of Mensans, a self-selected subgroup of high-IQ people
Sounds like a BS reason to dismiss the findings.
Any reason to believe that this "self-selection" has any impact on the people involved regarding "regular" non-mensa high IQ people?
>In other words, Mensans make up about 0.8% of high-IQs, and Karpinski et al. have data from less than 10% of Mensans, so the sample is seriously unrepresentative.
Again, BS.
0.08% can still be a perfectly valid sample.
The only valid reason to dismiss it would be not its size, but whether Mensans are for some reason widely non-representative of hi-iq people at large.
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#25"Karpinski and her colleagues developed a hyper brain / hyper body theory of integration. It posits that individuals with high cognitive ability react with an overexcitable emotional and behavioral response to their environment"
This is one of the main characteristic of diagnosed gifted people as it is commonly admitted.
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#26Neuroskeptic is, unsurprisingly, skeptical: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/10/22/in... Secondly, I have concerns about the sample. This wasn’t a study of high-IQ people. It was a study of Mensans, a self-selected subgroup of high-IQ people. 6.5 million Americans fall in the top 2% of IQ, and only 55,000 of them are members of American Mensa. In other words, Mensans make up about 0.8% of high-IQs,…
> Secondly, I have concerns about the sample. This wasn’t a study of high-IQ people. It was a study of Mensans, a self-selected subgroup of high-IQ people Sounds like a BS reason to dismiss the findings. Any reason to believe that this "self-selection" has any impact on the people involved regarding "regular" non-mensa high IQ people? > In other words, Mensans make up about 0.8% of high-IQs, and Karpinski et al. have…
> Any reason to believe that this "self-selection" has any impact on the people involved regarding "regular" non-mensa high IQ people?
Insecure people could prefer to counter their insecurity by hard to obtain status symbols such as Mensa membership.
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#27> Each was asked to self-report their experiences of both diagnosed and/or suspected [...] disorders So who else sees a problem with the methodology here. I mean, it sounds as if the data was collected in a different way than the data it was compared to.
That particular caveat is actually mentioned in the paper:
With the self-report, survey method there is often a risk of selective recollection of data as well as potential over- or under-reporting. However, there are numerous published, peer reviewed articles in highly reputable journals that use a self-report method, including those that use data sets which rely heavily on survey data (e.g., Der, Batty, & Deary, 2009; Wraw et al., 2015; Wrulich et al., 2013). Additionally, empirical research has confirmed that self-reported health ratings are reliable and valid measures of health (Haapanen, Miilunpalo, Pasanen, Oja, & Vuori, 1997; Liang, 1986).
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#28My children have had their IQs tested with scores >= 150. This was a requirement for the private schools that we applied them to, it wasn't something we were particularly interested in scoring. One thing we've learned about high IQ children is that many experience asynchronous development, meaning that some parts of their development are much faster than others, which could actually be delayed. Things like emotional…
Do these schools differ from the top tier private schools in the Northeast (Andover, Exeter) or are they just the West Coast equivalents?
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#29How valid is studying Mensa to get a representative cross section of intelligent people? I would wager many on this site are intelligent enough to qualify for Mensa, but why would they join? Most will be sufficiently surrounded by intelligent people in their day-to-day life to be stimulated. I wouldn’t be surprised if the membership of a selective club for clever people is most sought after by people missing somethin…
> Most will be sufficiently surrounded by intelligent people in their day-to-day life to be stimulated.
Totally independent of the discussion of Mensa, I'm somewhat sceptical of that claim.
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#30Neuroskeptic is, unsurprisingly, skeptical: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/10/22/in... Secondly, I have concerns about the sample. This wasn’t a study of high-IQ people. It was a study of Mensans, a self-selected subgroup of high-IQ people. 6.5 million Americans fall in the top 2% of IQ, and only 55,000 of them are members of American Mensa. In other words, Mensans make up about 0.8% of high-IQs,…
It may well be that higher anxiety people are more likely to join Mensa.
That sounds counterintuitive to me. "People with anxiety are more likely to join a community."