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Gmail Launches Add-ons

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Re: Gmail Launches Add-ons

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Post by CydeWeys »

vit05 wrote: post #218
CydeWeys wrote: post #207

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What browser are you using? It does seem like you're having DNS problems. See the following: $ dig @45.62.204.178 blog.google ; > DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.16-Ubuntu > @45.62.204.178 blog.google ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached That same command run against other DNS servers (for example, our public DNS server at 8.8.8.8) succeeds. Even stranger, against your co…

I have changed the DNS and now it is working correctly. Two days ago, a problem occurred with the modem and they changed the device. All settings were on automatic. But I really can not understand why blog.google did not work right away, and why it was routed to a canada DNS. I am using Google Chrome and Firefox. Tks for take the time to help. The internet provider that I am using is called netcombo.com.br and in the…

Thanks for your debugging help. I'm working to see what the next step might be to contact people at that ISP and tell them that they're messing something up. You could also tell them via their tech support that they're misrouting requests for certain TLDs.

Re: Gmail Launches Add-ons

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Post by oliwarner »

halfteatree wrote: post #65
oliwarner wrote: post #62

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Opt in isn't enough to stop it becoming a toilet. Years of Britney Spears Naked Screensavers and malware "removers" have taught us that users are idiots. You can net a bazillion users with one "unlimited space" add-on. Obviously, there's some vetting but that doesn't always work. These add-ons could run on Google's servers and only have connectivity to your inbox and session. Instead, this appears to allow companies…

> users are idiots Please, for the last time, stop using this rhetoric. How would you like to be called an idiot? As a developer and a user, I'm deeply offended by this condescending attitude. I really don't know what people like -- apparently opt-out is bad, so now we're using opt-in. Still, "opt-in" is bad because it's becoming a toilet? How do you expect _any_ platform to work? Self-host everything?

Finally got back to a real keyboard. I'm slightly aghast some of you feel we systems implementers (designers, developers, etc) need to be politically correct about the way we talk about users.

A person can be clever but people still do stupid things. I do not by any means truly think my users are mentally abnormal, really just that everybody —even those with specific, specialised counter-phishing training— succumb to really stupid things when we're manipulated in the right way.

As somebody developing systems, we really have to build defensively when users' wanton disregard for (eg) data security (manhandling customer databases, giving out their access to colleagues, clients, etc) conflicts with their employers, our and our regulators' data protection rules. So again, be offended if you like, but we're protecting our livelihoods.

In the context of this, Google could protect users against themselves and make the marketplace trustworthy.

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Post by tinus_hn »

eridius wrote: post #66
mseebach wrote: post #45

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They'll have to scan it for search. And spam, as sibling comment mentions. And, really, to store and display it at all, depending on your definition of 'scan'.

"Scan" means they take the data out of the "email" silo and use it for purposes other than providing email services to the user (such as using it for advertising). Searching is not "scanning". Nor is any other normal behavior of providing email services. So the question at this point is does Google keep your email data silo'd or do they use it for other purposes?

That’s only a dream. Google also scans email snd combines the data with that of all the other users for spam filtering purposes, which is a big part of ‘email’.

It’s not difficult to put together creepy functionality and twist it so one of the purposes is providing email service.

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Post by tinus_hn »

dannyr wrote: post #31
forgotmypw wrote: post #23

Sounds a lot like Gmail Labs, which was discontinued. I've learned to expect most Google products to be killed off, so I don't even bother starting to use them anymore.

You're right. If you don't count the services that still exists today, Google has killed almost all its products.

Logically there are only Google products that still exist, have been killed or have not been created yet.

I expect Google does have some future left in which it will create more products so I wouldn’t say it killed almost all its product except those that still exist.

Re: Gmail Launches Add-ons

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Post by wiwofone »

JorgeGT wrote: post #199
themacguffinman wrote: post #173

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I think you're missing the point of Inbox. It's not supposed to replace Gmail, not now and not ever. It's an additional way of using Gmail, hence why its full name is actually "Inbox by Gmail". Inbox is an attempt to make Gmail easier to use for the average user who has simple needs, so all the "power user" features you want aren't supposed to be in Inbox. If your needs are complicated, you can just use Gmail. Inbox…

> I don't need extra features get my stuff done in Inbox. I only need signatures in my non-gmail account. This is almost the only reason I switch to gmail now, when I have to send an email to someone outside my institution... it's very frustrating that they implemented signatures but only for gmail accounts.

Inbox actually has a signature feature in the "Settings" panel. It doesn't provide any formatting options, but you can copy-paste your signature from the Gmail signature settings, and it'll keep the formatting and any images you have.

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Post by m-p-3 »

fareesh wrote: post #67
jypepin wrote: post #25

So, I started using inbox a while ago when it was announced and I love it. Really. What's the state of development of it? Doesn't seems to be moving much and a lot of features from gmail are still missing, and I continue to see dev happening on gmail and not on inbox. Should I be moving back to inbox?

Came to post this as well. Inbox is a great product, but it seems to have been forgotten - probably because most of the users still use gmail, since getting "normies" to switch to anything is near impossible without social pressure being some contributor to the switch. Plus, Gmail still has a ton of features that were never ported over, which will also prevent some advanced users who rely on these features consistent…

I personally use the snooze feature (time or location-based) quite at lot at work, along with the reminder feature (which also allow to add a note). I forget much less often to take action on an email in a timely manner because of it.

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Post by eridius »

tinus_hn wrote: post #233
eridius wrote: post #66

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"Scan" means they take the data out of the "email" silo and use it for purposes other than providing email services to the user (such as using it for advertising). Searching is not "scanning". Nor is any other normal behavior of providing email services. So the question at this point is does Google keep your email data silo'd or do they use it for other purposes?

That’s only a dream. Google also scans email snd combines the data with that of all the other users for spam filtering purposes, which is a big part of ‘email’. It’s not difficult to put together creepy functionality and twist it so one of the purposes is providing email service.

Spam filtering is still in the email silo.

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Post by fareesh »

dvirsky wrote: post #229
2dvisio wrote: post #217

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You could move to Spark (if Mac user)

I've never tried it. I'm moving between Mac and Linux so I need a web based client.

I am in the same boat - Linux for Desktop and MBP for Laptop. Web based clients are essential.
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