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But the referendum was invalid because of the constitution, you can't ignore the constitution because you want, you need to change the constitution.
Everyone keeps talking about the constitution as if it is set in stone. The constitution was made by people, 50 years ago. It can and should be changed to reflect new realities.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the referendum was invalid because of the constitution, you can't ignore the constitution because you want, you need to change the constitution.
Everyone keeps talking about the constitution as if it is set in stone. The constitution was made by people, 50 years ago. It can and should be changed to reflect new realities.
From my not so knowledgeable point of view we have: It seems the Spanish government messed up massively here. Instead of embracing a referendum about independence they decided to flatly declare it illegal and attempt to ignore the problem. If they initially embraced the referendum they could have won, I believe that a Yes vote to independence nearly always ends up failing. But instead what happened is, they blankly d…
Why would the Spanish government let the Catalans declare independence regardless of the outcome of the illegal referendum?
Read more about the right of self-determination here: http://www.unpo.org/article/4957
Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the referendum was invalid because of the constitution, you can't ignore the constitution because you want, you need to change the constitution.
>you can't ignore the constitution because you want Uh? Why not? This has been done countless of times in history.
Sure in past that append a common term for that is "revolution" or "coup".
From my not so knowledgeable point of view we have: It seems the Spanish government messed up massively here. Instead of embracing a referendum about independence they decided to flatly declare it illegal and attempt to ignore the problem. If they initially embraced the referendum they could have won, I believe that a Yes vote to independence nearly always ends up failing. But instead what happened is, they blankly d…
> If they initially embraced the referendum they could have won They could have also lost in that case. There has been a huge for-independance campaign spanning 20+ years and including indoctrination of former children that now can vote. The last governments should not have ignored the problem, making instead an effort to provide objective information on what an independence entails. This is not something that you ca…
By which you mean adults? Is indoctrination one of those irregular verbs?
* i convince * you indoctrinate * he is brainwashing
The problem is not so much about Catalonia and Spain. There are plenty of such regions and ethnic groups in pretty much every country on the continent. If the ball starts rolling, it can mean going back a few centuries.
They gain autonomy, and they function the same way they have been. I don't see the issue at all. Let people be free. Smaller governing/sovereign regions can have huge benefits, especially in Europe since they sill have the solidarity of EU backing.
It's not like they're separating because they want to keep slavery.
FTA The Catalan government said that of the 43% of potential voters who took part in the referendum, 90% were in favour of independence. In a referendum where people who wanted to vote "no" didn't show up, because of fears of violence. This just isn't a reflection of the will of the population.
From my not so knowledgeable point of view we have: It seems the Spanish government messed up massively here. Instead of embracing a referendum about independence they decided to flatly declare it illegal and attempt to ignore the problem. If they initially embraced the referendum they could have won, I believe that a Yes vote to independence nearly always ends up failing. But instead what happened is, they blankly d…
They can’t really claim a mandate for leaving when those who wanted to stay boycotted the vote. That said, it would have been much less divisive if a proper referendum had been sanctioned.
92% pro, from a 43% turnout = 39.56% of the electorate in favour of Catalan independence.
Compare to 52% of 72% = 37.44% of the electorate in favour of Brexit.
From my not so knowledgeable point of view we have: It seems the Spanish government messed up massively here. Instead of embracing a referendum about independence they decided to flatly declare it illegal and attempt to ignore the problem. If they initially embraced the referendum they could have won, I believe that a Yes vote to independence nearly always ends up failing. But instead what happened is, they blankly d…