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Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by jvzr »

mkempe wrote: post #100
shmerl wrote: post #73

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Same thing here. I use 24 hour system anywhere I can. Converting it isn't an effort for me. But I wish everyone around would use it.

In Europe we use the 24-hour system to write time, but a 12-hour system to speak about it. So you're invited to dinner on Saturday at 6 (nobody in their right mind would show up at 0600). Everybody learns at an early age that 4 o'clock in the afternoon is 16, 5 is 17, etc. It's easy when there are analog clocks in all public, walkable spaces, as well as in the kitchen and/or living room.

In French, we say "viens à 21 heures," or "come at 21 hours," quite literally. Yes, "hours" is a duration as one poster commented; and yes, also in French. But the context gives the meaning away.

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by tempestn »

idbehold wrote: post #17
austincheney wrote: post #4

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Better would be to go to a single Zulu timezone nationwide. You just go into work an hour later in the central area compared to the east coast.

https://qntm.org/abolish

Your conclusion is a thing of beauty:

> If it's any consolation, all of this is extremely unlikely to happen, since it relies on an international agreement between every single nation in the world. Or on China attacking and conquering the entire world and installing China Standard Time as part of a totalitarian regime, which is slightly less unlikely but still very unlikely.

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by positivecomment »

racer-v wrote: post #99
tzs wrote: post #88

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I agree that middle/high school is arguably starting too early (especially since research has shown, I believe, that teens really should be sleeping later). In the case of elementary school, though, you are dealing with kids young enough that they probably cannot reliably be counted on the get ready and leave for school on their own, and so you need to fit school times in with their parent's work schedule.

As long as we're trying to fix all the world's problems, I'd submit that the ideal domestic partnership has one parent able to focus full-time on childcare and home life. It doesn't have to be the same parent all the time, but I find the expectation of dual incomes to be one of the great rip-offs of modern life.

Somewhere along the way to 10s, we lost the work flexibility. "I took care of my kids for 5 years" gets your CV discarded in an instant. So both parents, not always because they need the money, but very frequently because they're afraid to lose their career, choose to keep working.

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by King-Aaron »

mintplant wrote: post #66
shmerl wrote: post #63

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Yeah, this whole DST shift is pointless. Just keep it constant but standard, not DST. Also, I'd prefer a switch to 24 hour time notation. AM/PM is cumbersome.

I switched my own "native" time format to 24 hours years ago, in my head and on all my personal devices. Now I'm able to convert between the two formats effortlessly, and doing mental math on times is easier when I don't have to mix in a bunch of modulo-12 operations. (I live in the US.)

After working in Hospitals for many years (ICU/CCU PCA/Theatre Technician) I'm pretty much stuck on 24 hr time.

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by ant6n »

zeveb wrote: post #67
kmm wrote: post #64

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I have absolutely nothing to gain from the sun being close to its highest point at 12 o' clock. I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings

> I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings. May I suggest leaving for home earlier? And a child comment of yours wants an extra hour of light in the mornings. You can't have it both ways! There's a finite amount of light in the day: not everyone can have everything he wants. So why not just settle for making noon be noon, rather than taking an hour from Spooky23 and giving it to you, or taking…

Maybe we should have some sort of compromise system: in the summer where there's plenty of sunlight hours we can get that extra hour in the evening (without sacrificing morning light hours), and in the winter we could have a sightly shifted time to make sure the stm doesn't get up too late.

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by colejohnson66 »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #42
starlig-ht wrote: post #11

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Arizona doesn't do daylight savings, while the Navajo Nation (surrounded by AZ) does, and so does Utah to the North.

And the Hopi Nation (surrounded by the Navajo Nation) does not.

And then the Navajo Nation portion inside the Hopi Nation does

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by Macha »

brewdad wrote: post #152
mattferderer wrote: post #20

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Most places I've visited vary from business to business. With all due respect, I don't know of anywhere that fits your 9 & 12 mold. When I travel I always need to look up the hours of businesses. Many also pick a day or two during the week to close or prepare. Many also operate dramatically different depending on the day you go.

Ok but they do operate at a reasonable approximation. Sure a shop may open at 0800 in one town and not until 1000 in another but are there really places on earth where the shops tend to open at 0100 and close by 0900? Certainly there can't be many.

Spain's lunch/closing times are much later with the day being split in two periods, the second of which is 4:30-9: https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.spain.info/en_IE/info...

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by jacobush »

positivecomment wrote: post #174
racer-v wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as we're trying to fix all the world's problems, I'd submit that the ideal domestic partnership has one parent able to focus full-time on childcare and home life. It doesn't have to be the same parent all the time, but I find the expectation of dual incomes to be one of the great rip-offs of modern life.

Somewhere along the way to 10s, we lost the work flexibility. "I took care of my kids for 5 years" gets your CV discarded in an instant. So both parents, not always because they need the money, but very frequently because they're afraid to lose their career, choose to keep working.

Somewhere in the early 90s in these parts.

Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone

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Post by Asooka »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #2

Personally, it would be brilliant if we'd just go to permanent daylight savings time nationwide. The transition is hard on the kids and living in the northern part of the country, the extra daylight is appreciated.

As a former schoolchild, please no, PLEASE NO. Waking up early is already hard, having to wake up an hour earlier than I would otherwise have to for the entire year would be hell. Just use normal non-DST time. Please.
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