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Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by jakeogh »

tzakrajs wrote: post #45
dragontamer wrote: post #35

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> claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams Just note: Jet Fuel probably can't melt steel beams, because steel has a significantly higher melting point than the temperature of jet fuel. Of course, Steel Beams are about as strong as a wet-noodle at Jet-fuel temperatures: https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA?t=1m55s Which of course, would cause the towers to collapse. But seriously, Jet Fuel doesn't "melt" steel beams. It just…

Also there were documented hotspots that were in excess of steel melting temperature. This was due to regular office debris being burnt quickly, thanks to the jet fuel that had catalyzed it when it sprayed out into the center and floors above and below the crash site. I read about this in the excellent 9/11 debunk series by Popular Mechanics.

PM is correct about the hotspots existing. Here are the AVIRIS files: http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/AVIRIS_Flightlines

We tried the (UL approved) office debris theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw (yt may axe that chan)

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by kbart »

irrational wrote: post #41
jwdunne wrote: post #34

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This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

It wasn't just you. The other European colonization efforts likewise destroyed the lives of millions of people. I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?

" I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?"

You can't put all European countries in a single pot here, only a small part of them were leading empires. Most of other countries/nations were incorporated in empires against their will and suffered greatly too.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by raverbashing »

irrational wrote: post #41
jwdunne wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

It wasn't just you. The other European colonization efforts likewise destroyed the lives of millions of people. I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?

And the next world power is China, let's see how they will do

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by losteverything »

sharpercoder wrote: post #5

I saw a documentary which analyzed footage found around 2000 iirc (discovered old footage) of the murder. The conclusion was that due to the wound exit, the shooter could never have been Oswald. It convinced me. Who does the American public currently believe to be the shooter? Is there consensus for some theory?

If you ever go to Dallas visit the Sixth Floor (jfk.org). A 30min - 2 hour visit. Stand near where oswald stood. Talk to employee/volunteers about jfk the movie and other theories.

It's moving and if you were alive in '63 a place you recognize

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by philippeback »

raverbashing wrote: post #53
irrational wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't just you. The other European colonization efforts likewise destroyed the lives of millions of people. I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?

And the next world power is China, let's see how they will do

They are buying lots of land in Europe that is for sure.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by baxtr »

irrational wrote: post #41
jwdunne wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

It wasn't just you. The other European colonization efforts likewise destroyed the lives of millions of people. I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Which big empire was not like this?

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

clarkmoody wrote: post #9

One of the best Radiolab episodes I've heard was Mau Mau [1], which chronicled the uncovering of thousands of documents pertaining to the British Empire in Kenya. The extent to which history must be rewritten is stunning, only to be surpassed by the brutality of the English. Not that releasing the JFK assassination files would rewrite an extensive period of history, but the precedent remains: the grim truth of histor…

This is a very subtle and well-crafted comment. I'll probably get downvotes for saying this but there is a lot written between the lines here.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by rohit2412 »

rapsey wrote: post #50
satya71 wrote: post #36

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I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

The world is not black and white. The british built infrastructure that is still being used today. Like their railway system. They also educated the populace.

Railways to take away raw materials.

Educated? India's literacy rate in 1947 was 12%

Look at british literacy rate when they became a big empire. https://www1.umassd.edu/ir/resources/laboreducation/literacy...

Even though it might be because of industrialization and not colonization, India could have industrialized faster without being a colonial subject.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by orwin »

sharpercoder wrote: post #5

I saw a documentary which analyzed footage found around 2000 iirc (discovered old footage) of the murder. The conclusion was that due to the wound exit, the shooter could never have been Oswald. It convinced me. Who does the American public currently believe to be the shooter? Is there consensus for some theory?

Yeah, i'm not from america but i'd favor a theory similar to 9/11, it could have been stopped but incompetency and paperwork allowed this to happen, hence the non-disclosure. Incompetency explain this as well as conspiracy, and respect Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by praneshp »

dragontamer wrote: post #35
lstyls wrote: post #7

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> Who does the American public currently believe to be the shooter? What does this have to do with anything? Reality isn't a democracy. It's absolutely possible the shot came from Oswald. Tastelessness aside, try playing JFK Reloaded ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_Reloaded ). Claiming the ballistics don't make sense is as debunked as claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

> claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams Just note: Jet Fuel probably can't melt steel beams, because steel has a significantly higher melting point than the temperature of jet fuel. Of course, Steel Beams are about as strong as a wet-noodle at Jet-fuel temperatures: https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA?t=1m55s Which of course, would cause the towers to collapse. But seriously, Jet Fuel doesn't "melt" steel beams. It just…

"Get over it. Find a job".

That was one of the best videos I've ever watched. Thanks for reminding me about it.

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