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How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Reminds me of Dave of EEVblog (in AU, obviously) discussing about how stupid the pricing, bureaucracy and outdated are on various, overlapping internet service providers, especially NBN.

https://youtu.be/haImi4cWau0 (2017)

https://youtu.be/nJxQZr4dz3g (2014)

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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The tl;dr is that Australia started a fibre-to-the-premises project for the whole country (93% of premises, plus rural 7% on wireless), then a conservative government got in power and decided to deliberately destroy it. To do this, they changed it to fibre-to-the-node (DSL) instead. Instead of gigabit to the home, they're spending more money providing people with connections anywhere between 4mbps and 100 at the abso…

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

The Liberal party is the conservative party. No Conservative party in Australia AFAIK.

The Liberal party is broadly social-conservative, pro-business.

The Labor party is broadly speaking socially liberal and pro-labour.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So when your choice is for the worst or the less worse, vote less worse! We don't have to like it (though that'd be nice), just prefer it. Case in point: the original plan for the NBN was vastly preferable to this scandal ;)

I disagree about the original plan being preferable. The original NBN plan was a pipe dream in terms of cost feasibility, the rollout was aligned electoral boundaries, and the country first mentality means you get 12 megabit per second ADSL2 across from the Telstra building in the Melbourne CBD, and 100mbit in a large number of country towns.

I live in the city but "country first" is exactly the right way to go. Internet service in Australia outside the cities is absolutely terrible. It would be a game changer for the whole of Australia if Internet was first class everywhere.

Then it truly wouldn't matter where you lived for certain classes of work.

And regarding cost, well I think this is precisely what the government should be spending OUR money on.

They make such a huge song and dance about $49Biliion for the NBN, but the government is desperate to throw our money at companies. Have you heard ANYTHING about the $50Bn tax cut the government has given to companies? http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mal...

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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The tl;dr is that Australia started a fibre-to-the-premises project for the whole country (93% of premises, plus rural 7% on wireless), then a conservative government got in power and decided to deliberately destroy it. To do this, they changed it to fibre-to-the-node (DSL) instead. Instead of gigabit to the home, they're spending more money providing people with connections anywhere between 4mbps and 100 at the abso…

This is an extremely biased and misleading take on the situation.

Look at premises passed when the LNP came into power.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/nbn-ro...

Total activated in mid 2014, ~250k. That is completely nuts, you make it sound like this was a steady ship the LNP tipped over.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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So here's my tale of what happened:

Party A was in power, and having infighting problems. Party B was headed by an absolute arse of a man, who used the tactic "Say No! to EVERYTHING". Didn't matter how benign or banal, the opposition party would say no. A flagship policy like the NBN was particularly focused on - and if you look at interviews with the opposition communications minister at the time (now our prime minister), it was clear that he was toeing the party line and didn't think changing the policy was a good idea.

Fast-forward to the next exection, and Absolute Arse gets into power. Turns out he can't govern at all (despite 20 years on the front benches) and he definitely isn't going to backtrack on something he's attacked so routinely. He's kicked out by his own party. At this stage, the NBN has been gutted, and its doom is sealed.

In steps the comms minister as the new PM, but he is now beset by factionalism. He knows what a turkey the NBN is, but he doesn't have the political power to do an about-face on his party's policies.

In short, we're fucked. By the time any other party can get in, the NBN will be 'mostly complete'. The most annoying thing is that the folks who really need good internet is business, not residences (think graphic design, medical imagery, etc), and the party that fucked the NBN is the 'party of business'. Enterprises can already dictate their own network backbones, but small-to-medium businesses cannot.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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By 'fit for service' they mean 12Mbps down, or average copper wire speeds. What's the point? Although the original goal was great, in hindsight it appears that it could not be delivered anywhere near the original budget. For context, after a prolonged period of centre-right government, a centre-left government was elected, led by Kevin Rudd. He had a progressive agenda, but due to a combination of his unmitigated ego…

> For my part, I'm dropping all wires and switching to 4G/LTE, where I can stream 4K content, get decent uploads and still pay less than I would on the National Broadband network.

If everyone does that you'll be lucky to stream youtube videos at 240p. Wireless bandwidth is inherently shared between everyone, wired is dedicated.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #13

By 'fit for service' they mean 12Mbps down, or average copper wire speeds. What's the point? Although the original goal was great, in hindsight it appears that it could not be delivered anywhere near the original budget. For context, after a prolonged period of centre-right government, a centre-left government was elected, led by Kevin Rudd. He had a progressive agenda, but due to a combination of his unmitigated ego…

Where do you get your cheap 4G/LTE?

Best I can find is prohibitively expensive, especially if I wan't to stream 4K content...

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Tasmania got very lucky with the rollout, we are mostly covered with FTTP, Fixed Wireless and only some FTTN.

We are also lucky enough to have a local business (Launtel) pushing the constraints of the NBN by offering Gigabit at prices that aren't unreasonable ($14.50/day). They are treating it as a new pricing model, why bill the same as ADSL when there are no costs associated with setup and plan changes? They are billing daily which allows more flexibility meaning you could spin up a connection for a day (At an Airbnb for example) or change speed depending on your usage.

This is all in beta for them at the moment and only available in Tasmania. Here is a speedtest I ran yesterday from my home FTTP connection https://www.speedtest.net/result/6738001151.png

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #32
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

The Liberal party is the conservative party. No Conservative party in Australia AFAIK. The Liberal party is broadly social-conservative, pro-business. The Labor party is broadly speaking socially liberal and pro-labour.

You're on the money, but just a bit out of date. We have a (very) new far-right party called the Australian Conservatives now. The creation of a former Liberal party senator.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #13

By 'fit for service' they mean 12Mbps down, or average copper wire speeds. What's the point? Although the original goal was great, in hindsight it appears that it could not be delivered anywhere near the original budget. For context, after a prolonged period of centre-right government, a centre-left government was elected, led by Kevin Rudd. He had a progressive agenda, but due to a combination of his unmitigated ego…

This is a great summary, and a large number of people I know are doing exactly this. Using 4g since the 4g network in major cities on Telstra is extremely fast, and fits their lifestyle (really just using phones at home, or a hotspot in a pinch).
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