Personally, it would be brilliant if we'd just go to permanent daylight savings time nationwide. The transition is hard on the kids and living in the northern part of the country, the extra daylight is appreciated.
If kids are a concern, what about the problem of DST in winter in northern areas meaning kids go to school in the dark? For example I see kids walking to school at around 7:15 AM (6th-8th grade and high school) and around 8:30 AM (K-5th grade). This is at latitude ~47.7° N (same latitude as the city that is part of your name, in fact). Here is what various DST options would do in terms of kids going to school before…
Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
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Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
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Better would be to go to a single Zulu timezone nationwide. You just go into work an hour later in the central area compared to the east coast.
https://qntm.org/abolish
If I'm going to a store I don't visit often I'll have to look up their opening hours on a map anyway. Whether that says it's 08-20 or 16-04 couldn't matter less.
And that's before getting into the even more ridiculous stuff:
> First of all, we need to straighten out some terminology. The terms "a.m." and "p.m." (ante meridiem and post meridiem) are strongly deprecated now, because they refer to the position of the Sun, not of the clock.
So use 24-hour time? Somehow the rest of the world manages just fine.
> So, you have to say "solar noon" to refer to the instant when the Sun is at its zenith, and "twelve hundred hours" to refer to the instant when the clock reads 12:00. Similarly "solar midnight" and "zero hundred hours". And you have to use the twenty-four hour clock, it's the only way to be unambiguous.
12:00 is just an arbitrary time anyway, and even now it might not have much to do with noon anyway, depending on where you live. Hell, look have a look at the arctic circle, where noon (or day/night) doesn't have much of a meaning anyway.
> Even in the best case scenario, it is impossible to retroactively scrap time zones. The past will always exist, and the people who lived there will never adopt your new standard. Nor can all of past history be renumbered. The history of timekeeping will remain exactly as complicated as it always has been, and the zoneinfo database can never be abandoned.
Do you also refuse to use epoch timestamps, because they can't represent dates before 1970? Sure, you'd need to handle zones for historical data, but that'd get progressively less relevant the further away from cutoff you get.
Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
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Yeah, this whole DST shift is pointless. Just keep it constant but standard, not DST. Also, I'd prefer a switch to 24 hour time notation. AM/PM is cumbersome.
I switched my own "native" time format to 24 hours years ago, in my head and on all my personal devices. Now I'm able to convert between the two formats effortlessly, and doing mental math on times is easier when I don't have to mix in a bunch of modulo-12 operations. (I live in the US.)
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I have absolutely nothing to gain from the sun being close to its highest point at 12 o' clock. I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings
> I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings. May I suggest leaving for home earlier? And a child comment of yours wants an extra hour of light in the mornings. You can't have it both ways! There's a finite amount of light in the day: not everyone can have everything he wants. So why not just settle for making noon be noon, rather than taking an hour from Spooky23 and giving it to you, or taking…
Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, this whole DST shift is pointless. Just keep it constant but standard, not DST. Also, I'd prefer a switch to 24 hour time notation. AM/PM is cumbersome.
I switched my own "native" time format to 24 hours years ago, in my head and on all my personal devices. Now I'm able to convert between the two formats effortlessly, and doing mental math on times is easier when I don't have to mix in a bunch of modulo-12 operations. (I live in the US.)
Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
#78Personally, it would be brilliant if we'd just go to permanent daylight savings time nationwide. The transition is hard on the kids and living in the northern part of the country, the extra daylight is appreciated.
Arizona doesn't participate in daylight savings time. And, we really don't need to be saving any daylight in Arizona.
[1] “Daylight Savings Time explained”, CGP Gray. https://youtu.be/84aWtseb2-4. Skip to the 5 minute mark for Arizona.
Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
#79Personally, it would be brilliant if we'd just go to permanent daylight savings time nationwide. The transition is hard on the kids and living in the northern part of the country, the extra daylight is appreciated.
Better would be to go to a single Zulu timezone nationwide. You just go into work an hour later in the central area compared to the east coast.
However, they still have an unofficial separate time that locals use to coordinate the meaning of noon, morning, and night.
Re: Massachusetts is considering leaving the Eastern Time Zone
#80Over here in Seattle sunset is at 4:19 in winter. Maybe we need to switch to some other time zone.
What difference would that make? You still have to deal with almost sixteen hours of darkness in December. Shifting clocks around isn't going to change that physical reality.