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Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by celticninja »

arkona wrote: post #53
keepper wrote: post #27

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

I don’t want to nitpick your definitions, but nazism usually refers to the ideology of the NSDAP, a party that was disbanded at the end of WW2. You probably meant to say “violent racism”, in which case the comparison to antifa, and to a lesser extent blm, seems justified (they are linked by violence).

Nazism calls for the death and extermination of other people, antifa and BLM don't.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by yongjik »

mschuster91 wrote: post #8

Hmm. This is going to be interesting. I mean, nearly everyone should be fine with banning Nazis. After all, they're vile and in my opinion don't deserve any place on the world except the inside of a jail cell... The problem is: where will the line be drawn? What about Black Lives Matter? The more, uh, militant parts of the Antifa movement? Militant animal rights groups (which actually are treated as domestic terroris…

> After all, they're vile and in my opinion don't deserve any place on the world except the inside of a jail cell...

Whoa, whoa, stop right there. Who's going to jail? These Nazis are kicked off Reddit, not into some jail cell. Nobody's going to jail, unless they actually punch somebody or something.

(Are there people who calls for throwing all Nazis to jail? Well, of course there are, and that's nothing new. There are even people who want to throw all $(choose your ethnic group) out of America, or so I've heard.)

The slippery slope is not that slippery, after all.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by JSONwebtoken »

rodgerd wrote: post #67
wccrawford wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course people are going to question your definitions when you've gone overboard in making one absolutely wrong and the others absolutely right. There's bad in both sets, which is why banning 1 group could have an effect on the other 2, eventually.

Really? You think that Nazis are unfairly characterised? That's the hill you want to die on?

If by unfairly characterized you mean every white guy and their jewish grandmother having been called a Nazi in the past year, then I might consider it.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by pknopf »

oh_sigh wrote: post #88
pknopf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to the sub and click the first post you see. Evidence provided. edit: Here is the first non-stickied post I found. https://g.redditmedia.com/lWzOghJ9C76p2rMmU3CDWhHTtojbXJ9vlu... > Here is Hillary Clinton shitting herself on 9/11 > Did PETA publicly complain about the handling of that cattle? > THE SIDE OF BEEF MARRIED A RAPIST!!! > Hope she had her shitting pants on

First post seen at the top of the front T_D page is this: http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/26/the-last-time-hillary-had-... Which is making fun of a HRC tweet from last october which said "Happy Birthday to this future president". Doesn't seem very hateful to me. edit: Basd on your edit, I'm curious what you find hateful about this? HRC passed out on 9/11/16 and was dragged into a waiting van. There is a longstanding m…

The mod stickies are calmer.

Here is the first non-stickied.

https://g.redditmedia.com/lWzOghJ9C76p2rMmU3CDWhHTtojbXJ9vlu...

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by chiefalchemist »

untog wrote: post #14
KGIII wrote: post #6

It's really, really not easy to stand up for the rights of Nazis. If you're a Nazi, you can use voat.co as they are very free speech oriented. You don't have to be a Nazi to participate, but it's a good idea to have a thick skin if you do go there. I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis. They know I'm not white and that I don't agree with them. They don't scare me. They are scared a…

According to a study about Reddit itself, banning can do some good: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/business/reddit-limits-no... The general principle is sound - people get sucked into extremism when they stumble upon it on a large site like Reddit. Voat, on the other hand, you're not going to find unless you're looking for it.

Perhaps. But at least those who are looking for it are full exposed and easy to see. They are the true extremists. Remove the honeypots (e.g., Reddit) then what?

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Post by michaelchisari »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #83
aaron-lebo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effect your are talking about seems legit. The flip side about that is if you force these groups out of the public and then into the shadows, that's only proving the paranoia. Does that radicalize things even more? The same kind of viewpoints existed in the mid 90s, underground, and that lead to OKC which was one of the worst terrorist incidents in US history. Is it better or worse that this is happening in publi…

I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, these are humans, not monsters; their views can be changed, perhaps, but not if we force them into hiding and radicalize them. On the other hand, giving them power and influence in public spaces, the ability to disrupt other people's discourse and lives at will, is not okay. I'm not sure there is one best solution. We need to give bigots a chance to change their views, and we…

Thought experiment: Replace pro-racism with pro-anorexia. Do you feel the same way? Do you think there are positive results of public, easily accessible communities which advocate and provide support for people to further their eating disorders?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by blfr »

untog wrote: post #74
blfr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there was no reevaluation. It was just silently dropped in favour of "safety." And of course free speech is being used to promote the worst. You don't need much protection to discuss your favourite brand and their amazing products.

How can there not have been a reevaluation? Any changed policy is the result of reevaluation. These debates have been happening for a long time on places like Twitter, where the safety vs freedom debate has raged for a long time. And there's a "Reddit bans community" outrage pretty much every year.

A change in policy is just a change in policy. I would expect a reflection on the before and after states, some rationale. Even something as simple as a blog post stating that due to X, Y, Z, Reddit now considers engagement or whatever more important than free speech and will adjust rules and enforcement accordingly.

But there's more to it. It's not only Reddit or some other company. There is a general change in attitude from SV companies towards free speech. Which is what worries me because Reddit is eminently replaceable, Internet culture is not.

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Post by DasIch »

mozumder wrote: post #34
KGIII wrote: post #6

It's really, really not easy to stand up for the rights of Nazis. If you're a Nazi, you can use voat.co as they are very free speech oriented. You don't have to be a Nazi to participate, but it's a good idea to have a thick skin if you do go there. I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis. They know I'm not white and that I don't agree with them. They don't scare me. They are scared a…

Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis, since the US government (and many others) literally declared war against them. Anything short of that is just a gratuity towards them. Honestly, Americans aren't horrified enough by the mere existence of these people, treating them as an academic concept. If you actually know Nazis, you already know they're an extremely violent group. It took only a few days of me…

Indeed as a German the idea that some people think appeasement is the right strategy to combat nazis is astonishing. You don't talk to nazis, you destroy them.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by sighwhatnow »

KGIII wrote: post #81
sighwhatnow wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, they still deserve to express themselves freely. Um, why. What makes you think this. If someone's opinions are stupid and abhorrent, why should they not experience an immediate and firm response, in ban-hammer form. Why do you want to give ignorant idiots a platform to spread their ignorant idiocy to other ignorant idiots (and e.g. provoke easily influenced mentally ill idiots who might want to drive cars into…

Because we as a society have decided even the least among us deserve a base amount of human rights and freedoms and those aren't taken away without due process in a just society. I don't expect to change your mind. It's okay. I'm just really, really pro human rights. I've seen places with massive deprivations of rights. That's not okay.

Please explain what human rights have to do with anything in this thread.

As another commenter pointed out, there is no human right to post racist bullshit on a privately run online forum.

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