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Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

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Post by malkia » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:09 PM UTC

In a global header long time ago, a friend of mine (and big "C" lover) did this to his best buddy once (a C++ and especially boost lover):

#define class struct

#define private public

#define protected public

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

#12

Post by mmaunder » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:10 PM UTC

"If I buy you a house and put the title in your name, but I mark some of the doors 'Employees Only', then you're not allowed to open those doors, even though it's your house. Because it's really my house, even though I gave it to you to live in."

Love it!

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

#13

Post by spivey » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:11 PM UTC

I sympathize, yet encapsulation is appropriate for some projects. Not all users of a library want to frequently update to their own code. Forbidding encapsulation and deprecation would increase this cost. Also, it's comforting to be able to refactor the guts of a class without harming users.

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

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Post by sliverstorm » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:33 PM UTC

wzdd wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see how important compiler-enforced access specifiers were to C++ and Java. It seems they are going out of fashion. In the Python world they were always considered a bit silly.

The languages have fundamentally different goals.

If you explained Unix file permissions to a Windows guy, he'd probably think it was silly. They exist for a purpose though- just not a purpose the Windows guy has spent much time with.

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

#15

Post by pvg » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:51 PM UTC

robwgibbons wrote: post #8

This reads like an Onion article.

Modulo the funny.

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:55 PM UTC

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Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

#17

Post by TeHCrAzY » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 11:06 PM UTC

Does Java have something similar to .Net's reflection?

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

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Post by j_baker » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 11:07 PM UTC

spivey wrote: post #13

I sympathize, yet encapsulation is appropriate for some projects. Not all users of a library want to frequently update to their own code. Forbidding encapsulation and deprecation would increase this cost. Also, it's comforting to be able to refactor the guts of a class without harming users.

The issue is less about encapsulation and more about language-enforced encapsulation. Encapsulation is good, but encapsulation that's enforced by the language is debatable.

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

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Post by alextgordon » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 11:07 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #16

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Easy. Because I'm laughing at it.

Re: Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects

#20

Post by Goladus » Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 11:16 PM UTC

chrisduesing wrote: post #10

Personally I would prefer a script that made all variables private and removed setters, but I suppose that would be more useful than funny.

The problem with blocking the intended side-effects in side-effect-driven programming is that the programs will break. A script to re-write all Java into Clojure would be useful, too, but really kind of not the point.