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Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#81
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This one: http://github.com/samus/mongodb-csharp

Have you looked at NoRM?

I just grabbed the first driver and it worked although it feels really awkward to me (especially coming from years of parameterized queries / sprocs).

It looks interesting though. Have you used both?

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#82
I'm running the MS stack for my free online dating start up http://diveintothepool.com

I've loved using C# for the site but if I had built it in Ruby or Python I might have gotten more free traffic. Maybe the buzzness behind using X programming language that is current, hip and or new might be an easy marketing tool leading to you hearing more about them.

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#83
There is a large pool of MS engineers in Israel as the IDF is run on MS. Startups tend to be influenced by this talent pool. I'd avoid an MS based startup myself, an open source startup seems to me, more likely to have more innovation potential.

If anyone believes that Google, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter, Salesforce, or any other big internet company that has become prominent over the past few years was developed using .NET they have another thing coming.

http://thewadi.com/start-down-israeli-start-ups-in-crisis/

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

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What was the problem?

It was a SharePoint issue with the emails it sends out and it ended up being a permission issue (well, not even sure you would call it that - but the fix was resetting the system account's password). There had been no changes in accounts or anything else besides the creation of new sites and to make it even harder no error messages or useful logging. I've seen issues like this more times than I can count over the yea…

sorry, duck, downvoted you by mistake below (fat fingers)

just wanted to reply that ferrari.com is very slow, may be it is related to using MS stack

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#85
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That "Price is no longer an issue" is a falacy. You are ignoring the cost of patching and rebooting Windows boxes and the cost of the redundant infrastructure required to accommodate the longer downtime Windows patches require. And price is no issue only if you fail. If you succeed and have to deploy dozens of servers, you will quickly feel the it in your wallet. You can't grow horizontally as cheaply as you can with…

In our case it's as cost effective to light up a Rackspace Windows VM than it is a Linux VM... There are maintenance costs on both sides. If you have to deploy dozens of servers on any platform you will quickly feel that in your wallet.

I have better automation facilities on Unix-like servers than I can have on Windows. Configuration replication is rather easy. My colleagues here manage 1000+ Linux servers with a homemade solution based on Puppet and Fabric and can deploy a server from power-up to ready-to-go in a couple minutes.

If you can read Portuguese, they did a very good presentation at FISL in Brazil a couple days back.

http://ignofisl.ig.com.br/2010/07/22/material-da-palestra-so...

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#86
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as it has already been mentioned -- having to pay license fees means ramen profitable is even further away for your average, small bootstrapped startup. there are some good startups based on the MS stack, but they're generally startups done by people with money, connections, or extensive experience in the MS stack.

You have 3 years to get ramen profitable with BizSpark without spending a penny. Yes, it's a ticking time bomb in one regard, but if just getting to ramen profitable is your first goal the cost of the MS platform is not your obstacle.

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#87
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With BizSpark startups dont have to pay any licensing costs for some time. I also think that licensing is discounted when you become profitable. BizSpark aside, I think hosting costs/maintenance is much more. For a $20 512 Linode it would cost a hell of a lot more to run MVC.NET + MSSQL.

You should factor in not only license cost, but the total cost of maintaining and properly patching (as well as the mandatory unscheduled downtime that brings) a Windows stack. Even if they give you the licenses for free, it's much more expensive.

There is no mandatory unscheduled downtime. Pure FUD. I install updates when I want and if I wanted, without downtime with some basic load balancing.

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#88
Twiddla is built on the MS stack, as is everything else we do here at Expat.

People who build things with upcoming tech tend to mention it because it's novel. And unfortunately a few of those upcoming technologies don't handle load particularly well so you get to hear a lot about them as a result of them falling down.

So yeah, you don't hear about Microsoft stuff for the same reason you don't hear people talking about PHP or Java. It just plain works and always has, so there's no story.

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#89
post #76

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Have you looked at NoRM?

I just grabbed the first driver and it worked although it feels really awkward to me (especially coming from years of parameterized queries / sprocs). It looks interesting though. Have you used both?

I've only tried NoRM and I liked it. I liked that they were working on full LINQ support, but I'm not sure where that ended up since Conery no longer contributes to the project and that was his thing.

Re: Ask HN: (No) Microsoft based start-ups?

#90
Well, I came to HN through pg's writing, and part of my enjoyment was the confirmation of my distrust/dislike of MS. So I'm guessing that self-selection plays a large role here. That said, I think open source has great benefits for a startup, but you've got to weigh that for yourself.
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