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Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

WalterBright wrote: post #103
zzalpha wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROFL, wow, talk about cherry-picking to make a case... The fact is the US offers the least PTO of any developed nation. Same goes with sick leave and mat/pat leave. And free lunch? Free bus passes? Stock and option plans, profit sharing, educiation/tuition, retirement, gym memberships... HA! I know this is shocking, but: most of the world isn't SV. Those benefits are fantasies for the vast majority of American salari…

> cherry-picking The last two links are statistics. > this isn't SV You're right, Boeing is not part of Silicon Valley. Government & military employees also, as a rule, get generous benefits. But that's all beside the point, which is that the cost of those benefits should be added in when comparing salaries.

> which is that the cost of those benefits should be added in when comparing salaries.

If any of my past companies are any indication (outside of La La Land California), most of the additional "benefits" are wiped out by my monthly premium for my health insurance "benefit."

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by justinpombrio »

WalterBright wrote: post #89
Aloha wrote: post #69

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Can you give some examples of what these costs are and how they've increased since 2005 (or 1995)?

1. Employer's FICA contribution 2. Vacation paid time off 3. Sick leave paid time off 4. Maternity/Paternity paid time off 5. health care benefits 6. free/subsidized lunch 7. free bus passes 8. 401k employer matching contribution 9. employee stock purchase plans 10. stock options 11. bonuses 12. profit sharing / commissions 13. retirement plan 14. education tuition help 15. random other things like gym memberships, l…

Hang on, 6-15 are not only not legally mandated, but also very rare, right? And my understanding is that 2-4 are smaller in the US than other first-world countries.

So we're left with FICA and healthcare. Healthcare being bizarrely expensive.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by arbie »

zzalpha wrote: post #95
anonymous5133 wrote: post #35

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Really depends. If you think about uber then without uber or similar services then people would use taxis. The taxi drivers would get paid more due to having monopolies in most cities and fares would be outrageous. Most of the gig type companies are able to offer lower prices to consumers at the expense of workers. Also important to note is that uber and lyft sell their gigs as just side income, not a full time job s…

The taxi drivers would get paid more due to having monopolies in most cities and fares would be outrageous. Uhh... Uber is, like, 5-6 years old in most locales, less in many. This isn't some alternative universe we have to imagine. We just have to think back to before 2010... you know, the before time. The long long ago. And back then, taxi rates were hardly "outrageous". Hell, even today, Uber isn't necessarily that…

In sparsely populated areas, taxis are sometimes even cheaper. In cities, though, it's not even a contest. Ride-sharing is 2x to 3x cheaper than a taxi in my limited dataset.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by WalterBright »

justinpombrio wrote: post #112
WalterBright wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Employer's FICA contribution 2. Vacation paid time off 3. Sick leave paid time off 4. Maternity/Paternity paid time off 5. health care benefits 6. free/subsidized lunch 7. free bus passes 8. 401k employer matching contribution 9. employee stock purchase plans 10. stock options 11. bonuses 12. profit sharing / commissions 13. retirement plan 14. education tuition help 15. random other things like gym memberships, l…

Hang on, 6-15 are not only not legally mandated, but also very rare, right? And my understanding is that 2-4 are smaller in the US than other first-world countries. So we're left with FICA and healthcare. Healthcare being bizarrely expensive.

> but also very rare, right?

See the last two links for statistics.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by [deleted] »

WalterBright wrote: post #104
gehwartzen wrote: post #97

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Besides FICA and Healthcare none of those things are mandated by law. Companies provide them to compete in the labor market.

That's no longer true: https://fairygodboss.com/career-topics/pregnancy-maternity-l... http://www.seattle.gov/laborstandards/ordinances/paid-sick-a...

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Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by closeparen »

theseus7 wrote: post #90
leggomylibro wrote: post #64

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We need more than universal healthcare; we need straight-up universal care. The idea should be that periods of unemployment or uncertainty are not terrifying gray areas for an average person. If people felt comfortable that they would have support for finding better pastures from a shitty job, they'd be more likely to seek them. If they felt more confident that they had prospects after a layoff, they'd be more likely…

> How about a party for workers? Possible principles for a workers party: - maximize after-rent and after-tax disposable income of workers - shift all taxes off of wages from labor and onto ground rent from private enclosures of land and natural resources - support a universal public savings account for all citizen residents over 20 - democratically divide and deposit all surplus natural resource rents directly into…

>- support a universal public savings account for all citizen residents over 20

Thiss could not possibly be more wrong. Experience has shown that if a "public savings account" can be raided by its controllers to support some more powerful constituency (shareholders, current voters and taxpayers, etc.) it will. We've seen with this corporate pensions, state government pensions, and Social Security. A workers' party would immediately and forcefully end all "public savings account" schemes which are really wealth transfers away from workers in disguise, and (at most) force workers to save in accounts for which they are the custodians.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by danans »

WalterBright wrote: post #89
Aloha wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give some examples of what these costs are and how they've increased since 2005 (or 1995)?

1. Employer's FICA contribution 2. Vacation paid time off 3. Sick leave paid time off 4. Maternity/Paternity paid time off 5. health care benefits 6. free/subsidized lunch 7. free bus passes 8. 401k employer matching contribution 9. employee stock purchase plans 10. stock options 11. bonuses 12. profit sharing / commissions 13. retirement plan 14. education tuition help 15. random other things like gym memberships, l…

6-15 are not only not mandatory, they are purposely offered by some employers to attract and incentivize employees. Thus, to compare them to government required benefits (1-5) makes no sense. The the high cost of employees is more attributable to the competition for employees by employers, not government required benefits.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by snowwrestler »

wvenable wrote: post #81
dmix wrote: post #50

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> Americans seem in love with a fictional account of the countries history. This shouldn't be about historical narratives or ideology, that's largely why public health insurance is dead-on-arrival in US politics. Both sides are terribly ideological about it and unrealistic as a result. The healthcare industry is already the most heavily regulated of all industries in the US. Saying it's been held back from government…

> Rather it should be sold as an exception to the rule. I've said this before: Society has already made it's choice. Society doesn't want people dying in the streets. Once you've made that decision, universal healthcare in some form or another just flows from that. The US has a form of it right now, it's just extremely perverse and expensive.

Water, food, clothing, and shelter are all more important to people not dying in the streets than health care, and we don't have government single-payer versions of any of those.

So I agree with the parent: it's not enough to just say that health care is important, therefore it should be single payer. There are too many counter examples for such a simple argument to pass muster. Discussions of health care policy need to start with a detailed and honest accouting of the health care market specifically.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by taejo »

xapata wrote: post #85
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #73

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They would probably be unemployed. Now we have people who are barely employed. They are paid just enough to keep them from banding together and demanding change. If they were unemployed then they'd have a lot more incentive to do something. Now they are trapped trying to keep their heads above water. Don't think this isn't on purpose. Every last dime is getting squeezed out.

Incompetence is just as plausible as conspiracy.

What incompetence? It's working out just fine for the employers.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by techiferous »

brewdad wrote: post #108
techiferous wrote: post #84

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> population to have topped 23 million by now Assuming an error rate of about 4%, this means that about 900,000 Americans have been wrongly convicted -- about the population of San Francisco.

Do you have a source for your 4% figure or is that just a gut feel estimate? I have no idea (as if anyone can definitively know) what the actual rate might be.

Here is a source: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/28/how-many-...
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