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Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by dragonwriter »

notsohugedeal22 wrote: post #13
csours wrote: post #2

> “We find that 94% of net job growth in the past decade was in the alternative work category,” said Krueger. “And over 60% was due to the [the rise] of independent contractors, freelancers and contract company workers.” So, not exactly temp workers, but contract workers who require less overhead and are easy to fire.

Exactly why we need universal healthcare in the US It’s something every worker should be fighting tooth and nail for It would go a long way to breaking up the neoliberal corporate hegemony Sadly, and regardless of education and political leanings, Americans seem in love with a fictional account of the countries history. That it was all great 50 yrs ago without universal healthcare (when they were kids and not really…

> It would go a long way to breaking up the neoliberal corporate hegemony

No, it wouldn't. Neoliberal corporate hegemony rules all of the developed world, all of which, except the US, has universal healthcare.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by InitialLastName »

leggomylibro wrote: post #64
notsohugedeal22 wrote: post #13

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Exactly why we need universal healthcare in the US It’s something every worker should be fighting tooth and nail for It would go a long way to breaking up the neoliberal corporate hegemony Sadly, and regardless of education and political leanings, Americans seem in love with a fictional account of the countries history. That it was all great 50 yrs ago without universal healthcare (when they were kids and not really…

We need more than universal healthcare; we need straight-up universal care. The idea should be that periods of unemployment or uncertainty are not terrifying gray areas for an average person. If people felt comfortable that they would have support for finding better pastures from a shitty job, they'd be more likely to seek them. If they felt more confident that they had prospects after a layoff, they'd be more likely…

Let's put it as fighting for the abolition of wage slavery.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by InitialLastName »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #4

This is in large part because the sectors that saw the largest move towards alternative work arrangements—like education and medicine—have a high proportion of women. Anyone know more about this? What jobs in those areas are becoming contract based?

A female relative of mine is a occupational therapist (registered). Over the last 15 years, she's had a series of full time jobs in facilities (mostly retirement care) that each eventually converted into contract-based work, mostly as the facilities consolidated into umbrella companies. In each case, the working conditions have deteriorated to the point where she has been driven to find a new job, but the sense I get is that finding non-contractor work in that field at this point is getting asymptotically more difficult (at least in the mid-Atlantic US).

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by gehwartzen »

prklmn wrote: post #44
rtx wrote: post #37

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Government should have its own infra and hire medical professionals. They should leave the private sector alone.

We have that now, it's called the Veteran's Association (VA). It's kind of a mess.

Out of curiosity I looked up and found that the estimated VA budget (in 2014) for "Hospital and Medical Care" was $55.4 billion. This covered ~22m Vets at the time. So a rough estimate for a national equivalent of VA care would be $800B/yr or maybe $850B-1T in todays dollars.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by zzalpha »

anonymous5133 wrote: post #35
armenarmen wrote: post #27

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Yeah, and these gigs aren't the best thing around for sure. But I wonder where people would be without them, you know? Would it be huge unemployment? Or would conventional employees be the result?

Really depends. If you think about uber then without uber or similar services then people would use taxis. The taxi drivers would get paid more due to having monopolies in most cities and fares would be outrageous. Most of the gig type companies are able to offer lower prices to consumers at the expense of workers. Also important to note is that uber and lyft sell their gigs as just side income, not a full time job s…

The taxi drivers would get paid more due to having monopolies in most cities and fares would be outrageous.

Uhh... Uber is, like, 5-6 years old in most locales, less in many. This isn't some alternative universe we have to imagine. We just have to think back to before 2010... you know, the before time. The long long ago.

And back then, taxi rates were hardly "outrageous". Hell, even today, Uber isn't necessarily that much cheaper in a lot of places.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by zzalpha »

WalterBright wrote: post #89
Aloha wrote: post #69

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Can you give some examples of what these costs are and how they've increased since 2005 (or 1995)?

1. Employer's FICA contribution 2. Vacation paid time off 3. Sick leave paid time off 4. Maternity/Paternity paid time off 5. health care benefits 6. free/subsidized lunch 7. free bus passes 8. 401k employer matching contribution 9. employee stock purchase plans 10. stock options 11. bonuses 12. profit sharing / commissions 13. retirement plan 14. education tuition help 15. random other things like gym memberships, l…

ROFL, wow, talk about cherry-picking to make a case...

The fact is the US offers the least PTO of any developed nation. Same goes with sick leave and mat/pat leave.

And free lunch? Free bus passes? Stock and option plans, profit sharing, educiation/tuition, retirement, gym memberships... HA!

I know this is shocking, but: most of the world isn't SV. Those benefits are fantasies for the vast majority of American salaried employees.

Many people I know live with 2 weeks of combined PTO, 3 months of maternity leave (mandated by law... ish... there's a bunch of exclusions) and no paternity leave whatsoever, basic health care, and a 401k match if they're lucky.

Now, I'm not claiming that a salaried employee isn't more expensive than a contract employee. That's objectively true. And in a very real sense, the entire point and why this trend is alarming: the more people pushed to underemployement (part-time or contract work), the more people who don't realize those additional benefits, thus contributing to the ongoing demolition of the middle class.

But the US workplace is hideously behind the rest of the western world, and is still managing to lead the way in underemployment as well. After a while you really gotta wonder why that is...

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by gehwartzen »

WalterBright wrote: post #89
Aloha wrote: post #69

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Can you give some examples of what these costs are and how they've increased since 2005 (or 1995)?

1. Employer's FICA contribution 2. Vacation paid time off 3. Sick leave paid time off 4. Maternity/Paternity paid time off 5. health care benefits 6. free/subsidized lunch 7. free bus passes 8. 401k employer matching contribution 9. employee stock purchase plans 10. stock options 11. bonuses 12. profit sharing / commissions 13. retirement plan 14. education tuition help 15. random other things like gym memberships, l…

Besides FICA and Healthcare none of those things are mandated by law. Companies provide them to compete in the labor market.

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by ben_jones »

walshemj wrote: post #24
goodoldboys wrote: post #15

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Pretty much. I fit into this category and my anecdotal experience tells me that hiring managers favor contractors for that reason as well as the fact that the money to pay them sometimes is listed as a different line-item on the budget. I think the combination of the two helps as well - when looking at a large contractor line-item, knowing that it can be scaled back with less headache than a Full Time Employee (FTE)…

Its not well paid IT contractors its all the minimum wage disguised employment "gig" jobs that is where the growth is.

You don't want your gig job? Man you have to HUSTLE. You have to have the ENERGY. You have to want to be SUCCESSFUL more then you want to SLEEP. Bill Gates HUSTLED. Steve Jobs HUSTLED. Kobe Bryant HUSTLED. If you aren't successful its YOUR fault.

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Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by dvdhnt »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #86
dvdhnt wrote: post #19

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Most people can’t just quit their job, they have monthly recurring bills that must be paid. Those of us that work in tech are quite fortunate to have realistic alternatives. However, even many of us are restricted due to location, and before it’s mentioned, yeah we could move but we have families with children in school and spouses who have non tech careers. Moving is expensive. The employment system in the US, espec…

>The employment system in the US, especially in states like mine, ensure that employers have persistent power over employees under the guise of “right to work”. I think you mean "at-will employment". All American states have that. "Right to work" laws refer to laws banning union contracts from creating "closed shops".

Yep, I did mean "at-will". Thank you!

Re: Most US jobs created since 2005 are not conventional full-time work

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Post by gehwartzen »

gilrain wrote: post #21
jstanley wrote: post #11

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> This implies that at least one in eight adult men in the at-large population has been sentenced for a felony. That's an astounding statistic. I don't live in America, and I obviously don't run into a perfectly uniform sampling of society, but I'd guess way less than 1 in 8 people I meet have done something that deserves being thrown in prison.

Not that many people have done something that deserves being thrown in prison in the US, either. We're just far too happy to throw people in for things that don't deserve it, like non-violent drug offenses.

The other issue is that many companies juts have blanket bans against hiring a 'felon'; doesn't matter if it was murdering a family or stealing a TV
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