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An Open Letter to Patreon

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Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by jstarfish »

featherverse wrote: post #61

Patreon probably uses a credit card processor that prohibits selling pornography, as many of them do. If you're an original content creator you should not be using Patreon as your sole source of income. Patreon is a good way to get attention for your brand, but your primary goal as a creator of goods for sale should always be to funnel your fans to your own website where you control all sales and you don't have to gi…

Services like Patreon function as something of a proxy that obscures the nature of your business from the credit card processors, who otherwise won't let you conduct adult-related transactions through their platforms.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by gkya »

I see quite a bit of signatures there. Create your own Patreon. It needs not be porn or erotica specific, but it should not be that hard to build a similar service with more ample freedoms to content creators. And given most of these people have YouTube channels and whatnot, it shouldn't be that hard to get at least a good portion of the patrons to switch over to your new service.

Companies will do all that's possible to avoid getting in trouble. It's their bread and butter after all. Also, companies come, companies go. Never depend on them, especially for your livelihood. Form an NGO and build your tool, maybe in a more progressive European country.

Also, I bet if Patreon could include adult w/o negative consequences, they would. After all it's more income. But probably they're bound by external stuff (companies whose services they use, some laws, etc.), and those are to attack. I can be 100% behind asking for a legislation to disallow excluding any sectors or groups from using your services as a company, but trying to coerce a company this way, no.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by rootlocus »

noobermin wrote: post #189
arkades wrote: post #109

Does anyone else recollect the expression “no one owes you a business model”? There’s many reasons Patreon should want to avoid being a porn payments processor. Blame American Puritanism or whatever, but that’s the milieu in which they operate. They don’t owe it to anyone to bear excess risk just so that someone else can have a profitable hustle at their expense. If this is such a big issue for the LGBT community Fun…

No one owes anyone anything, it doesn't make it wrong to post a letter.

It doesn't make it useful either.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by featherverse »

timthelion wrote: post #111
featherverse wrote: post #61

Patreon probably uses a credit card processor that prohibits selling pornography, as many of them do. If you're an original content creator you should not be using Patreon as your sole source of income. Patreon is a good way to get attention for your brand, but your primary goal as a creator of goods for sale should always be to funnel your fans to your own website where you control all sales and you don't have to gi…

How would you funnel your fans to your own website if the credit card processors won't let YOU sell porn?

Just put a link to your website in your profile. Or in the emails you send out to your patrons periodically.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by featherverse »

vacri wrote: post #67
featherverse wrote: post #61

Patreon probably uses a credit card processor that prohibits selling pornography, as many of them do. If you're an original content creator you should not be using Patreon as your sole source of income. Patreon is a good way to get attention for your brand, but your primary goal as a creator of goods for sale should always be to funnel your fans to your own website where you control all sales and you don't have to gi…

5% is a pretty small middleman 'take'. I agree with the 'you shouldn't rely on an independent entity you don't have leverage over', but not because they're taking a cut.

last I checked it was 10%.

They charge 5% for processing payments which is 2% higher than paypal and stripe charge for processing payments, which they are certainly pocketing as hidden profit. Which is lying, another reason not to work with them.

It is _so easy_ to set up a wordpress site and start taking payments using something like wp-invoice or woocommerce. You don't need a fancy custom theme. The built in themes work great, nobody is going to care if a graphic artist uses a custom theme or not.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by taohansen »

Mz wrote: post #188
daxorid wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn is extraordinarily destructive. To say that it has no moral downsides is incredible: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

I am totally and completely cool with male porn addiction as an alternative to rape: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201601/ev... Lesser evil and all that.

is this what the conversation has come to? a foregone conclusion that all men ought to be drugged up on porn so we don’t go out raping and pillaging the countryside?

we’re not all like this. i’m not like this. and i don’t like being told that i am.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by Mz »

taohansen wrote: post #207
Mz wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am totally and completely cool with male porn addiction as an alternative to rape: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201601/ev... Lesser evil and all that.

is this what the conversation has come to? a foregone conclusion that all men ought to be drugged up on porn so we don’t go out raping and pillaging the countryside? we’re not all like this. i’m not like this. and i don’t like being told that i am.

That amounts to wildly misconstruing my comment.

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by icebraining »

daxorid wrote: post #186
timthelion wrote: post #116

As a white hetro male who consumes porn, as do %90 of us white hetro males do. I do not understand how it can be "fine" and "modern" for us to watch porn. But not "fine" and "modern" for the women who produce it to be paid for it. Porn is one of the few products out there that provides real value, real stress relief, and has no environmental or moral downsides. Porn is better for the environment, animals rights, and,…

Porn is extraordinarily destructive. To say that it has no moral downsides is incredible: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

Not everybody considers self-harm to be immoral, you know?

Re: An Open Letter to Patreon

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Post by taohansen »

Mz wrote: post #208
taohansen wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is this what the conversation has come to? a foregone conclusion that all men ought to be drugged up on porn so we don’t go out raping and pillaging the countryside? we’re not all like this. i’m not like this. and i don’t like being told that i am.

That amounts to wildly misconstruing my comment.

i disagree. you’re welcome to explain how your statement does not amount to keeping men hooked on porn so they don’t rape (because that’s the alternative).
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