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Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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1,200 of 33,000 employees amounts to 3.6% of the work force. This level of action, 1 in 25 employees, gives managers an opportunity to release employees that looked good in the interview but did not meet expectations. Whether Tesla conducted this in a proper manner is open to debate and perhaps details will emerge if/when any former employees pursue Tesla in court. But any company needs to address the inevitable hiri…

> I don't see evidence that Tesla is doing any more than that

If the lack of promised performance reviews is accurate, that's the obvious issue - it implies a labor force decision disguised as a performance decision. This is a pretty common move in e.g. game development, so it certainly isn't unthinkable.

The point about total workforce size is well taken, though; this still seems like it could be as simple as "times are tough so we're cutting more stringently than we might otherwise".

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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post #35

I am pretty pro-union. However, in the case of Musk's enterprises, where there is this larger goal that is finally seeming to become possible, I am torn. I feel that anyone that works at these places should know and be a zealot for the Cause...but I suppose that Elon Musk probably should share his stakes with them a bit more, in that case. edit: I believe workers should be treated fairly, but I also want us to go to…

The ends justify the means, eh?

Sometimes, indeed yes. Not always. If you want to live in a black and white world go ahead. Best of luck to you.

In any case, as I said, I am torn. That is why I advise that anyone that works for them be dedicated to the cause. Because while a lot of startups and the like profess to "change the world" Elon Musk's enterprises ARE changing the world to the kind of world I want to live in. Sometime visions need sacrifices.

That said, Elon Musk should probably offer non-insubstantial stakes in the company to every worker.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solar City was doing fantastic here in Las Vegas. There sales people were BY FAR the best when they came door to door. But Warren Buffet's power company changed the laws last year and basically screwed everyone who had solar. We have completely disincentivized putting solar panels up. Now the company doesn't do well, and no sales people come door to door from any company. If you are putting up solar in Las Vegas this…

How did the laws change?

I did a quick search and it looks like Wikipedia has a reasonable summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_metering_in_Nevada

At issue was whether or not homes with solar could sell their electricity at the retail rate or the wholesale rate. There was conflict between Buffet and Musk because Buffet owns the power company NV Energy whereas Musk works in the business of solar. All that said, it looks like AB 405 moves pretty closely back to the old system where solar customers can sell power back at 95% of the retail rate.

Anyway, power is and probably should be tightly regulated. It's worth having an open conversation as to how much money a solar customer should be paid for selling power onto the grid just like we have regulations for all of the other power producers. That doesn't mean they have to be the same regulations, but setting and moving the rate number isn't inherently good or bad.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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post #15

Couldn't Tesla / SolarCity just said, "Hey, company didn't do well, sorry, here's 2 weeks severance"? Why do this whole "bad performance review" nonsense.

I don’t know why you got down voted. That’s what Tesla should have done if they haven’t documented any performance problems. What they did is basically slander with real economic consequences to those fired and they should sue. Being fired with cause impacts their ability to collect unemployment, which most these people deserve. It also puts a bad mark on their employment history, unless they lie about how they where…

> Being fired with cause impacts their ability to collect unemployment, which most these people deserve.

afaik, performance doesn't impact your benefits in the US, unless it's tied to 'willful misconduct'. if you're (for example) simply incompetent, but honest and good-intentioned, it's entirely the employer's fault for improperly filling the position per their own requirements.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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I’ve been with a bunch of smaller companies and have seen layoffs as well as been laid off before/during and after mergers. Not sure why this should be surprising in the case of Tesla + Solar City.

Because the purported reason for the firings don't add up. Usually in a merger, the combined company simply says what everyone already knows, there's redundancies.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

#47

I am pretty pro-union. However, in the case of Musk's enterprises, where there is this larger goal that is finally seeming to become possible, I am torn. I feel that anyone that works at these places should know and be a zealot for the Cause...but I suppose that Elon Musk probably should share his stakes with them a bit more, in that case. edit: I believe workers should be treated fairly, but I also want us to go to…

Maybe the negative votes are from the workers you would consider treating unfairly in that scenario. That is also reasonable.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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post #18

This doesn't really surprise me. A few years ago we had lead generation software that catered to the solar industry. We had some decent sized clients and it did really well for about 2 years. Once the tax credits started going away and the power companies started killing off their rebates, a lot of these solar companies were not able to survive. One of our larger clients who was heavily funded went bankrupt this year…

I’m surprised. At the rate PV has been falling these subsidies are probably negligible (federal rebate withstanding).

I purchased PV because the cost with a 20-year loan comes out to be 13c kWh, meanwhile PG&E charges 29c kWh. And the loan interest is tax-deductible.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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post #47

I am pretty pro-union. However, in the case of Musk's enterprises, where there is this larger goal that is finally seeming to become possible, I am torn. I feel that anyone that works at these places should know and be a zealot for the Cause...but I suppose that Elon Musk probably should share his stakes with them a bit more, in that case. edit: I believe workers should be treated fairly, but I also want us to go to…

Maybe the negative votes are from the workers you would consider treating unfairly in that scenario. That is also reasonable.

Well given two polarized positions, expressing sympathy for both positions makes twice the enemies, and half the friends.
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