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Ask HN: What's your worst Uber Eats/Door dash experience?

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Re: Ask HN: What's your worst Uber Eats/Door dash experience?

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UberEats decided that I lived in the very center (i.e. GPS lookup) of my city for a booking despite numerous bookings before and after. This meant I had to drive in, park, and meet up with my my poor UberEats delivery driver who was on a bike and had no chance of making it to my place anytime soon. UberEats drivers who accept delivery of multiple orders, so you wait for everyone else's orders to be cooked and deliver…

UberEats drivers who accept delivery of multiple orders, so you wait for everyone else's orders to be cooked and delivered before your cold burger and fries arrive. This problem is exaggerated by either these orders being on opposite sides of the city or…

Unfortunately the Eats drivers (of which I am one) don't have a choice. If the Uber dispatch algorithm determines that we should pick up two orders at the same time, then it gives us instructions to that effect. It also decides which of the two orders to deliver first. We don't even get to see where the second order is going until the first has been dropped off.

And yes, the algorithm is terrible. Sometimes we drop off the first order all the way across town, and the second order turns out to be for a customer a few blocks away from the original pickup location! It's also quite common for a new order coming in result in the driver (who has just arrived at the restaurant to pick up your food) needing to wait an extra 10 minutes while the new order is prepared and cooked.

The end result is customers getting cold food. I'm amazed that Uber Eats has repeat customers.

(And here in New Zealand, the restauarnt pays Uber 35% of the menu price - plus the customer is still paying a delivery fee on top! It's again amazing that any restaurant would even bother with Uber Eats.)

Re: Ask HN: What's your worst Uber Eats/Door dash experience?

#32
Here in China going to the restaurant is becoming a lifestyle choice, with more and food being delivered. Swarms of delivery scooters flood the streets of Shanghai, ignoring all the rules and other vehicles in a fervent rush to deliver more orders. They get paid around $1 per order. Over 3,000,000 orders are being delivered DAILY just in Shanghai. Delivery times can be as short as 15 minutes or as "long" as 1 hour. Rarely longer. Tons of plastic waste every day. Awful food. But omg how convenient is that.

Re: Ask HN: What's your worst Uber Eats/Door dash experience?

#33
I don't remember if I've had an UberEats order canceled, usually it's been a good experience. One time the driver forgot a milkshake and went back to get it, another time it was too late (restaurant closed) but UberEats credited me. I stopped using them though because their restaurant selection was too random / inconsistent, and their delivery fee too high, and they bumped or got rid of the minimum order to waive delivery fee, and Uber/UberEats drivers now expect tips. I use Postmates now, because I can order from anywhere (including my favorite chinese place that isn't on anyone else's app), but it has even more inconsistency with when drivers are available, and I've had many orders canceled (fortunately not from my favorite place). I only use it when the delivery is free (there's still a "service fee" that's kind of high but whatever) and so long as the driver gets my food to me in ok condition I'll give a small tip to encourage them to keep doing it, since if you go to the postmates reddit it's nothing but drivers complaining about $0 in tips. In the Bellevue area there don't seem to be enough drivers which probably influences how often orders have to be canceled.

Re: Ask HN: What's your worst Uber Eats/Door dash experience?

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UberEats decided that I lived in the very center (i.e. GPS lookup) of my city for a booking despite numerous bookings before and after. This meant I had to drive in, park, and meet up with my my poor UberEats delivery driver who was on a bike and had no chance of making it to my place anytime soon. UberEats drivers who accept delivery of multiple orders, so you wait for everyone else's orders to be cooked and deliver…

UberEats drivers who accept delivery of multiple orders, so you wait for everyone else's orders to be cooked and delivered before your cold burger and fries arrive. This problem is exaggerated by either these orders being on opposite sides of the city or… Unfortunately the Eats drivers (of which I am one) don't have a choice. If the Uber dispatch algorithm determines that we should pick up two orders at the same time…

In my city, if you're a driver, you're not required to accept a double delivery, and if you do accept, you aren't required to follow through. (After accepting, you have the choice to either pickup and confirm receipt or opt out by canceling, in any combination.)

As a driver, doubles are overwhelmingly not worth it in my city. For example, if I get paged for an order it may be for delivery from restaurant A to dropoff C. At any time before I arrive do the pickup, I may get paged to pick up an additional order. There only a narrow set of circumstances where it is worth it to me, the driver, to accept a double. Here's a list of things that would make a double unfavorable for a driver:

- The dropoff for the additional order may be at some point B that more or less lies somewhere along your route from A to C. Uber will route you to B first and then C. You're essentially delivering to B for free; you could have rejected the second order, forgone the double workload, and delivered directly from A to C and get paid the ~same amount.

- The first order, i.e., the one you originally accepted, is ready, but the second is not. The kitchen may or may not lie to you about how much longer it will take. As a driver, you have no insight into the final destination of the orders until you confirm receipt, so you cannot tell whether you're dealing with a a pathological case for B as above, or whether the order will actually be worth your while. Both customers pay the full delivery price AFAIK, so the only party benefiting here is Uber.

- The first order is ready, but the second one is not, the kitchen knows this, and they know that it will be 5-10+ minutes longer for the second order to be ready, but they never communicate this to you to give you the option of opting out of the second order. So the first order sits cold while the second is prepared, with you the driver believing that your choice is actually between waiting for the first thing available from the kitchen or canceling the whole thing altogether, which would mean being unable to recoup anything of your sunk costs for the trip to the restaurant (and possibly back to a "hot zone" if the restaurant is outside the city).

- You cancel one of the orders, and the staff gives you a bad review (unprofessional) as if you've robbed them of something. You haven't. If a driver sits idle for 10 minutes waiting for the order to be completed, the driver pays that cost while the restaurant gains nothing. This is infuriating, and I was strongly reminded of it by front page link to "Basic Laws of Human Stupidity" a couple weeks ago.

There are exactly two scenarios where a double is "worth" it:

- Geographically speaking, the second order is well past the first one that you would have delivered. This means you don't have to bear the costs of waiting for the next request to come in nor the cost of travel for pickup, because you already have work queued up.

- Geographically speaking, the route between A, B, and C are disjoint (i.e., B and C are in opposite directions from the restaurant). Congratulations, you actually end up making more than if you had made the same two deliveries as individual trips. This is fairly rare, not good for the (second) customer, and it still doesn't eliminate the risks above about arriving at the restaurant to find the orders aren't ready.

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