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If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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I'm 35. I'll try not to be too critical. Moral of the story:

Being educated doesn't say anything about you being smart.

Here's the rub. A college degree is a specialization. That's why you "major" in something. It was never designed to be an extension of high school. So, you should get a degree in something that you are both passionate about and also accept the limited career paths that come with that particular passion. If the career paths are limited and/or not to your liking, assume that the degree will not help you find a job. You may as well use the money to travel instead.

The further you deviate from the career paths that are attached to the degree you obtain, the more worthless it becomes. Attempting even greater specialization along this field of study only enhances this effect; it will not correct it.

So, Mr. Masters in English: Why are you not focusing your search on the career paths that are attached to the degree that you have; assuming this is actually a passion of yours, namely teaching and/or writing?

Applying for random positions because you figure your degree actually means something is about as stupid as applying to the space program and for all the same reasons. You do not have a catch all pre-requisite. You have specialized training, and you receive little to no benefit over the random person on the street when you are evaluated for suitability to this position if the training isn't aligned with the job you are trying to get.

Not realizing this after years and years of education isn't very smart at all, really. Sadly I know you aren't alone.

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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post #15

It would appear that you talk like a fag, and that your shit's all retarded.

Why are you voting this guy down? It's a quote from Idiocracy.

I didn't vote him down, but without quotation marks or attribution, it simply looks like a slam toward the author. And I haven't seen the movie often enough to recognize the quote immediately. (I've seen it once, and the only quote that I remember is from the Costco greeter.)

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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I don't get the mentality of sending out thousands of resumes. I sent out one to get my current job because I wanted to work there.

Some people (such as myself) have a hard time landing interviews for some reason[1]. During my final year in college, I sent out no fewer than three dozen resumes to potential employers (all of whom were hiring); only four of those companies asked me to come in for an interview.

[1] Note that that "reason" was no doubt due to my inexperience and not knowing how to properly market myself at the time.

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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post #15

It would appear that you talk like a fag, and that your shit's all retarded.

Why are you voting this guy down? It's a quote from Idiocracy.

1. Because this isn't reddit. Random quotes add little to the discussion.

2. Because it misses the point, in that the problem is the author, not everyone else being stupid.

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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I expected this article to be something totally different. I think it was a great article, though the title had little to do with the moral of the story. But man I can relate. When I graduated with my Mechanical and Electrical Engineering degrees, I thought the world was my oyster. I found a sweet job called Marketing Engineer that required both a well-formed understanding of engineering and a knack for marketing and…

I totally sympathize and if you are on the startup path it sounds like quiting was the right move. But I think your expectations for an entry level job are too high. One thing newly minted adults would do well to realize is your first few years at any job are going to be spent doing the grunt work. If you go into it expecting to spend your days oscillating between mind numbing boredom and hectic days filled with busy…

>One thing newly minted adults would do well to realize is your first few years at any job are going to be spent doing the grunt work.

Is this what most people experience?

The earliest bits of my career consisted of me getting thrown in to situations for which I was in no way qualified, then being expected to sink or swim without much help. Often nobody at the company really knew how to do the job I was hired for.

Great fun, really; by the time I figured out how to "swim" I usually decided it was about time for a new job.

I guess that's the thing... when there are problems... go solve them. If the boss doesn't give you more work, go find some.

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

#47

I don't get the mentality of sending out thousands of resumes. I sent out one to get my current job because I wanted to work there.

I don't get it, either.

Most of the jobs I've applied for after I've graduated college, I was able to get at least an in person interview, and several times, was able to juggle between several offers; I've only applied to roughly five or six jobs in my whole career so far. Why? Because I actually took the time to look at their website, see if it was something I was interested in, and even come up with work-related questions that I could ask them in my cover letter.

Though, I would still say that it's a numbers game, but you still have to make a decent effort for each job you apply for. It's almost like dating, in a way.

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

#48

The problem probably wasn't having the masters degree so much as having the masters degree and applying for jobs with titles like "administrative assistant" moral of the story: don't trust "careers counselors"

From the sounds of it, the author didn't have much work experience. What else can he apply for? Around the time I finished my undergrad, there was a recession (almost 20y ago), and most of my liberal arts peers were taking customer service jobs. When you're fresh out of school, you gotta start somewhere.

get a job that counts. Even if you have to be underpaid, or work for a small employer. Work in your field. Working in fast food (or data entry) doesn't get you on that upward path to where you want to go... with a degree and a year of data entry experience, you have no more than you had with just the degree.

I have relevant experience going back to when I was 15 on my resume. sure, my first cable monkey jobs paid less than fast food, but it lead to better things.

If you are willing to work for menial labor wages, you can almost always get work that requires skills. there are many small businesses, all attempting to cheap out on hiring. take advantage.

my first job? I worked at a shady computer repair place run by an Iraqi woman. I was paid by the piece (usually a dollar or two below minimum wage) which, I was told, was more than the last (much older) guy got, though, as the woman explained, "You are much better than he was."

It was actually a really great experience (except, maybe for the lack of air conditioning in the living room where we worked.) and I got massive discounts on used computer parts until I moved out of the area, so even financially, it worked out okay.

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

#49

I like the converse: "If you're so rich, why aren't you smart?" It's attributed to MIT's Paul Cootner, supposedly as a comeback to a money manager who asked him why, if Cootner was so smart, he wasn't rich?

That response didnt make much sense to me :(

Re: If You’re So Damn Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?

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post #46
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally sympathize and if you are on the startup path it sounds like quiting was the right move. But I think your expectations for an entry level job are too high. One thing newly minted adults would do well to realize is your first few years at any job are going to be spent doing the grunt work. If you go into it expecting to spend your days oscillating between mind numbing boredom and hectic days filled with busy…

>One thing newly minted adults would do well to realize is your first few years at any job are going to be spent doing the grunt work. Is this what most people experience? The earliest bits of my career consisted of me getting thrown in to situations for which I was in no way qualified, then being expected to sink or swim without much help. Often nobody at the company really knew how to do the job I was hired for. Gr…

I had something similar, but we're lucky. If you go to work for a "big company" they'll have their whole dumbed down training program, you'll have to learn to push paper around "their way", etc.
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