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Anti-aging stem cell treatment proves successful in early human trials

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Re: Anti-aging stem cell treatment proves successful in early human trials

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Post by jerry40 »

red75prime wrote: post #68
jerry40 wrote: post #37

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Oh I'm sure there will be companies that provide a right to die for reasonable price (sized about 70-80 year salary I guess). Pity I'm not a writer, I think it is a good idea for anti-utopia about the world where people work to get a permission to die.

Office workers on 50th floor will certainly be highly motivated to pay the price. Also, there will be medications which mitigate the urge to die (What's the word? Antipsychotics, I guess).

I agree, there are many details which an author will need to explain. People can be protected by mighty authorities and live in a safe environment. But those medications will be prohibited of course. In other case people just will not be working!

Re: Anti-aging stem cell treatment proves successful in early human trials

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Post by jerry40 »

fratlas wrote: post #67
jerry40 wrote: post #37

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Oh I'm sure there will be companies that provide a right to die for reasonable price (sized about 70-80 year salary I guess). Pity I'm not a writer, I think it is a good idea for anti-utopia about the world where people work to get a permission to die.

Read The Last Answer. Similar concept.

Very interesting! Thanks for advice!

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Post by timthelion »

narag wrote: post #80
timthelion wrote: post #49

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Most dynasties in history were overthrown by competing heirs, not the people. It is actually very rare for dictatorships to turn into democracies. Many reigns only end in death. Do you think Putin will ever be overthrown?

It is actually very rare for dictatorships to turn into democracies. In the last half century give or take some years, half of Europe and Latin America nations have successfully and peacefully made this transition. And only Venezuela has returned to dictatorship. Do you think Putin will ever be overthrown? No idea. Formal democracy is still in place, so there's hope.

But recorded history in Europe goes back some 3000 years.

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Post by karmelapple »

timthelion wrote: post #24
keymone wrote: post #14

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you're welcome to die whenever you want, just don't speak for the rest of us.

Imagine a world in which Xi, Kim Jong *, and a host of other wealthy dictators were immortal, and the rest of us pee-ons were not. I believe that is the future of high tech immortality.

All medical advancements that enhance or prolong life get to be used first by wealthy individuals. Eventually, they reduce in price and reach more people.

Just because only a few people could afford a CT scan when it first came out doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep developing it for the wife benefits we will see in the future.

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Post by brixon »

ourmandave wrote: post #30
mcv wrote: post #11

Let's start harvesting bone marrow from young people to help old rich people. It has no downsides, I hear.

But the system will collapse without young healthy people signing up.

This is where clones would be helpful.

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Post by dalbasal »

dandare wrote: post #21

As others pointed out this study may not be scientifically conclusive and I am not in a position to comment on that. What strikes me is our lack of preparedness for advances is anti-aging treatments that will inevitably come. Even adding as little as 20 years to the average lifespan will have enormous (devastating?) implications for the economy and society. Especially if the treatment will be expensive and not availa…

First, let's see some real movement on anti aging. AI can play go and drive cars, what'the anti aging equivalent.

2nd, we've already added those 20 years of average life in most places, without much anti aging. Antibiotics, sterile surgery, vaccination, geriatric medicine. Childhood deaths went down a lot. Mid life deaths too. Old age is much longer than it was with life expectancy at retirement trending towards 90.

We've already had the economic/societal consequences in the west/north/rich places. The first (childhood survival) too in the form of population explosions still in play in some places.

I doubt anti aging has bigger effects than that within the next 50 years, even if life expectancy at birth leaps to 100 tomorrow. Anyway if it really slows aging it'll extend people's productive middle life, which is mostly good economically.

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

m3nu wrote: post #12
faltad wrote: post #10

This comment on reddit (and all the subchildren) shines a different light on that study: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/78f3wg/antiaging_s...

Let's hope he's right. Life is a cycle and without death the world will be a very boring place.

This test isn't for life longevity, but to combat the frailty common at the end of one's life. You still get the 80 years, but the last 15ish aren't plagued by a slow, beleaguering death march, while you drain the resources of your children (also, so you can be a more productive member of society, I guess).

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Post by crusso »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #78
crusso wrote: post #52

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If we were immortal, the birth rate would decline as people worried less about continuing through progeny and more about continuing through their own lives. How many wars do you think anyone would want to fight if we didn't have an endless streams of the young who are willing to die on the battlefield? How many murders are committed by people over 30 vs under? How many people die in car accidents after 30? There's so…

>How many wars do you think anyone would want to fight if we didn't have an endless streams of the young who are willing to die on the battlefield? We've got killer robots for that now. >How many murders are committed by people over 30 vs under? I'd guess the majority of murders have been caused by people over 30 declaring war. >How many people die in car accidents after 30? Self-driving cars sounds like a good solut…

I'd guess the majority of murders have been caused by people over 30 declaring war.

Well, since US elected national office is pretty much 30 and over, that's the only way wars can be declared.

But there's a reason why there's the movie cliche of the old cautious king being toppled by the young warmonger. On average, young people are a lot more prone to violence. Put them in charge of a nation, and I have no doubt that wars would increase rather than decrease.

Yes, of course the elderly possess great wisdom, but they are also highly inflexible when it comes to thinking of new solutions to new problems.

But a lot of that is because your gray matter doesn't work as well as you become elderly. If that weren't the case, we could have young energetic minds that also are wise dominate in society.

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Post by crusso »

UnpossibleJim wrote: post #88
m3nu wrote: post #12

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Let's hope he's right. Life is a cycle and without death the world will be a very boring place.

This test isn't for life longevity, but to combat the frailty common at the end of one's life. You still get the 80 years, but the last 15ish aren't plagued by a slow, beleaguering death march, while you drain the resources of your children (also, so you can be a more productive member of society, I guess).

That assumes that maximum life expectancy would stay the same if you could live that maximum life with greater health.

If there is a mechanism in our bodies that creates an artificial maximum of life, like a telomere - then you would be right.

It also could be possible that avoiding the frailty of age means the avoidance of death. Stay healthy and you stay alive.

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