> can't camwhore through Pateron anymore
> literally scared of our lives
Opinion discarded.
An Open Letter to Patreon
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#32If you're living in a free country, say "Fuck" on TV.
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#33American puritanism is the problem. I have enough of those American companies arbitrarily deciding that a nipple is an obscene thing. But how to fight back this form of cultural imperialism?
This has nothing to do with showing a nipple. This was more about the porn and private sex shows. There are all kinds of legitimate reasons why one might not want to enter that business. That's their right as a business owner.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt that. Chargebacks are the problem. As soon as you mention to a payment processor that you might be taking for adult content they drop you like a hot brick.
And why is the payment processor doing that? Because they're afraid of the government. Why? Because the government doesn't like boobies. Why? Puritanism...
>And why is the payment processor doing that? Because they're afraid of the government.
AFAIK, the only place government wrings the hand of payment providers is for terrorism or they want to specifically choke a political actor.
In Patreon's case, I'd imagine it has to do more with fraud, or more specifically how the "big" payment providers won't touch porn. (After all, the big porn sites have been processing credit cards since the dawn of the internet, just not through the same avenues as a eCommerce store would go through, if the government really cared, those sites wouldn't be able to process credit cards either).
I see Patreon uses both PayPal and Stripe as their payments processor - Stripe has pornography spelled out in its term of service as prohibited, and PayPal is far less lenient when it comes to breaking their ToS. I can imagine as Patreon grows, Stripe and PayPal (who in turn might be getting their screws turned by Visa and Mastercard), might start forcing Patreon to deal with these creators.
It's a very unfortunate spot Patreon is in, and I hope they aren't forced to cleanse their platform.
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#35Lol, so now banning pornographers from your site equals to discriminating against the lgbtquerty community.
I have nothing against erotica/porn and nothing against LBGT, but yeah, the open letter writer seems to be using "Why won't you think of the LBGT community?" line as a talking point, probably because accusing a company of being anti-gay is an effective weapon nowadays... somehow, saying more of this community uses their sexuality to make money (through Patreon) makes me feel "I'm sure the LGBT* accountants and bus drivers would disagree with this..."
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#36Nice wording:
"just knowing that they want to create and entertain and that their skills lie in a sexual area."
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#37Doesn't make a lot of sense
1. "Your fuzzy position on “adult content” vs. “porn” gives you the freedom to discriminate at will. And it makes content creators live in fear of that discrimination, itself leading to self censorship of important viewpoints."
2. "[...] we also must listen to and represent those who simply make porn. Who want to be creative with their porn, yes, but most importantly want to be self directed."
So it's not about the fuzzy position of Patreon but about disallowing porn it seems.
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#38I agree with the overall point of shady limitations between porn and adult content leading to discrimination, but this kind of self-victimization : > Not only that, the most vulnerable among us – disproportionately queer, trans, disabled, people of color and those whose first language is not English – are literally scared for our lives. Hurts the whole speech. Is it possible to have this (valid and important) debate…
Demographically it is a rather odd group too. It basically includes most of the humans on Earth (i.e., first language is not English) and excludes what comes down to heterosexual cisgender able-bodied white Americans/Australians/British/Canadians/Kiwis.
That kind of exclusive categorization of people is harmful to the debate, and comes across as trollish.
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#39American puritanism is the problem. I have enough of those American companies arbitrarily deciding that a nipple is an obscene thing. But how to fight back this form of cultural imperialism?
I'm with you on puritanism, but it's not about "a nipple" it's about porn.
"[...] we also must listen to and represent those who simply make porn. Who want to be creative with their porn [...]"
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt that. Chargebacks are the problem. As soon as you mention to a payment processor that you might be taking for adult content they drop you like a hot brick.
In this specific case, maybe chargebacks are the problem, but in general, American puritanism is insufferable (Facebook banning reproductions of 19th century paintings, etc.) Also, it's inexplicable. I would much rather have my kids exposed to a million boobs (that they can see anywhere on the beach anyway -- and why are boobs a problem in the first place is anyone's guess) than to the horrible and dehumanizing viole…
Excessive chargebacks raise the cost of accepting cards overall. This lowers the value Patreon can provide to their customers.
I suppose they could bifurcate the two and offer low- and high-risk plans? Not sure what it would take to implement that, though.