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Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by KGIII »

Clubber wrote: post #90
KGIII wrote: post #69

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> we deny felons the right to vote in most states. Only while incarcerated. http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-v...

Depends on the state. I'm on one of the states in the "Restoration by Governor's Action or Court Action" category, and I can tell you thought it is possible, voting rates are rarely, if ever reinstated in my state.

Oh, I'm familiar with that. It's just that most don't take away the right to vote permanently. They take it away until you're done serving your sentence and then it is automatically restored. (See the link.)

A couple of States even allow inmates to vote while incarcerated. In my now-home State, inmates are encouraged to vote and sometimes politicians will even go campaign inside the prison. That's pretty rare, but has happened.

So, it's a temporary loss in most cases. Notably, Maine allows inmates to vote and Maine is overwhelmingly white. Vermont is the same way. In my quest for more information, I found some commentary about that aspect.

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

cavanasm wrote: post #32
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #27

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It's being downvoted because it's pushing a false narrative that it's only black people that are being incarcerated, and they're being incarcerated explicitly for cheap labor. There are major issues with regards to race in America, but real life is more nuanced than "it's happening because racism."

Would "racism is a statistically significant contributing factor" be more palatable for you than "it's happening because racism"?

Yes, actually. A nuanced discussion on a nuanced issue is much preferable to ideological squabbles.

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by bjl »

RingwormOne wrote: post #54
bjl wrote: post #39

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The 13th Amendment explicitly legalises slavery as the punishment for a crime, and its used all the time.

And when we talk about slavery it's usually in the sense of racialized, bondage-from-birth slavery rather than penal labor. The two are very different, and using the word 'slavery' to refer to both conflates meaning and disguises the important differences between the two.

Penal labor is coerced, unpaid labor which is by definition slavery.

What you're referring to is chattel slavery.

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by dEnigma »

occultist_throw wrote: post #81
dEnigma wrote: post #57

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Insulting the community won't help against the downvotes. The healthy path is to just ignore the votes and freely discuss your opinions, whether they resonate with other people or not. By that I don't mean "ignore other people", only their effect on your comment score/karma. You should listen to their arguments nonetheless.

> Insulting the community won't help against the downvotes. The healthy path is to just ignore the votes and freely discuss your opinions, whether they resonate with other people or not. That's the problem with "Downvotes" in the way they're done here. Legitimate discourse, albeit unpopular will attract downvotes. And so will unrelated offtopic garbage (Spam, 1 word replies, crazy rantings ala TempleOS). The end resu…

I agree; there definitely should be a discussion about the whole system. Personally I would favour a system with a report option for comments that violate community guidelines or even laws, and a comment score that doesn't affect the visibility of your comment (at least not in an absolute hidden/visible way)

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by dragonwriter »

KGIII wrote: post #101
Clubber wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the state. I'm on one of the states in the "Restoration by Governor's Action or Court Action" category, and I can tell you thought it is possible, voting rates are rarely, if ever reinstated in my state.

Oh, I'm familiar with that. It's just that most don't take away the right to vote permanently. They take it away until you're done serving your sentence and then it is automatically restored. (See the link.) A couple of States even allow inmates to vote while incarcerated. In my now-home State, inmates are encouraged to vote and sometimes politicians will even go campaign inside the prison. That's pretty rare, but ha…

> Notably, Maine allows inmates to vote and Maine is overwhelmingly white. Vermont is the same way.

Being overwhelmingly white is probably part of the reason; if you don't have a visible black underclass to subjugate, you don't take steps to subjugate them. In discussing the thesis of felon disenfranchisement as part of “the New Jim Crow”, pointing out that states without a notable visible black population don't engage in disenfranchisement is in line with that thesis.

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by beingmyself2 »

PatientTrades wrote: post #3

I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Its one of the towns on the map that is nearly black. I can tell you first hand that many in that city still feel the aftermath of slavery. The poor illiteracy, cognition skills, financial mobility, health, etc, within the black community is truly staggering. I now live in California, but for anybody that claims slavery had no long term effect, go to some of those towns you will b…

How do these disadvantaged individuals compare with those who never left Africa? Are we brave enough to control for pre-Antebellum ancestry?

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by LyndsySimon »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #12
latencyloser wrote: post #4

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Would remote work help? I would think encouraging or allowing more 'white-collar' workers to be more spread out throughout the country would help increase demand in places other than large cities and tech hubs. I, for one, miss rural life (wide open space, less traffic, mom and pop stores, etc.) but unfortunately my career as a programmer doesn't cater to that lifestyle all that well.

Let's say you have a reasonably well-paying remote job and you could live anywhere. Let's also say you're married and have children. Do you want them to go to good schools? Do you want them to receive quality healthcare that does not break the bank? Do you want to use convenient services like Uber/Lyft when the need arises? Do you want access to a network of professionals that can help you grow your career? If you an…

Honestly, the answer to all of those questions, for me, is "no" and I plan to move to a small rural town (I'm married and have children - but we homeschool them, so the quality of the local schools is not a limiting factor.

Healthcare is not nearly so different even in very rural areas as you've made it out to be, especially not when you have a tech salary to enable you to travel to a teaching hospital if the need arises. If anything, regular/preventive care is less expensive and higher quality with a rural family doctor.

Uber and Lyft don't even make sense in a rural setting.

My professional network is already spread across the country, so that's not really an issue. I plan to spend more time and money on travel for conferences and such.

The only things we're really giving up are faster Internet access (we'll have 300Mb for ~$100/m, instead of 1Gb included in our rent) and food delivery services (which are too expensive to be using as much as we are, anyhow).

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by dang »

beingmyself2 wrote: post #107
PatientTrades wrote: post #3

I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Its one of the towns on the map that is nearly black. I can tell you first hand that many in that city still feel the aftermath of slavery. The poor illiteracy, cognition skills, financial mobility, health, etc, within the black community is truly staggering. I now live in California, but for anybody that claims slavery had no long term effect, go to some of those towns you will b…

How do these disadvantaged individuals compare with those who never left Africa? Are we brave enough to control for pre-Antebellum ancestry?

We've banned this account for serial ideological trolling. Would you please not create accounts to do this with? It's not what this site is for.

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by PatientTrades »

beingmyself2 wrote: post #107
PatientTrades wrote: post #3

I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Its one of the towns on the map that is nearly black. I can tell you first hand that many in that city still feel the aftermath of slavery. The poor illiteracy, cognition skills, financial mobility, health, etc, within the black community is truly staggering. I now live in California, but for anybody that claims slavery had no long term effect, go to some of those towns you will b…

How do these disadvantaged individuals compare with those who never left Africa? Are we brave enough to control for pre-Antebellum ancestry?

> How do these disadvantaged individuals compare with those who never left Africa?

Not sure if you are aware but the large majority of brown and dark brown skinned (black) Americans are actually indigenous Aboriginal (Native Americans). Most "Blacks" in America can be directly traced back to natives who were already in America when Europeans arrived in the 1400s. Google dark skinned Indians you will see pictures of what im talking about. Its really naïve to think that all the millions of Blacks here today all came from Africa or even have links to Africa. Just some facts that are left out of the history books and never taught.

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