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Re: Sci-Hub: Public access to research papers

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Well, not really. Sci-Hub has a founder. A founder that may be sometimes be a benevolent dictator, and sometimes not. For example, very recently, this very founder got offended by Russian social media, in which some academics said something unflattering about her, and a biologist apparently named a newly discovered species of parasitic wasp after her. So she blocked Sci-Hub for all Russian IPs. For about a week. And…

Can someone briefly describe how decentralization is achieved in archive.org?

Most items on Archive.org have torrent files, so there's some degree of (potential) decentralization. They run their own tracker, but in principle the torrents could live on via DHT. Most are poorly seeded, however.

They also have multiple backups in other locations.

Re: Sci-Hub: Public access to research papers

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Sci-Hub represents everything that is good about the internet.

Well, not really. Sci-Hub has a founder. A founder that may be sometimes be a benevolent dictator, and sometimes not. For example, very recently, this very founder got offended by Russian social media, in which some academics said something unflattering about her, and a biologist apparently named a newly discovered species of parasitic wasp after her. So she blocked Sci-Hub for all Russian IPs. For about a week. And…

The entire collection is available via large torrent files. Check Reddit or the Archive Team site for details.

Re: Sci-Hub: Public access to research papers

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Well, not really. Sci-Hub has a founder. A founder that may be sometimes be a benevolent dictator, and sometimes not. For example, very recently, this very founder got offended by Russian social media, in which some academics said something unflattering about her, and a biologist apparently named a newly discovered species of parasitic wasp after her. So she blocked Sci-Hub for all Russian IPs. For about a week. And…

Can something be done to clone/distribute it?

There are torrents.

Re: Sci-Hub: Public access to research papers

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So does the piracy affect you? Are you in favor of sites like sci-hub?

I'm in a very similar position as the OP (Computer Science PhD student). Piracy doesn't affect me at all. I'm very happy if someone wants to read my papers, however, you don't have to use sci-hub etc to access them - I've published preprints of all of them on arxiv.org. Usually I do this right after I submit to a conference and update it later to reflect any changes made before publication. This also allows me to tim…

Nice approach!!!

Re: Sci-Hub: Public access to research papers

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I think it is evidence that there a lot more new HN users than old HN users now. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just an observation.

Interesting. Any way to get data on active new user numbers over time? Regardless, Sci-Hub launched in 2011 and has been frequently discussed in the media since then.

The only data we have are the 2015-16 download logs posted by Elbakyan and a reporter for 'Science.' At the time they had 28 million+ downloads over 6 months. I truly hope no more logs are released (at least not with that level of detail).

Re: Sci-Hub: Public access to research papers

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ELI5: I'm not from academia so please help me understand. Are researchers who publish these [firewalled/copyrighted] papers likely to lose out on their earnings if this is 'open-sourced'? I'm honestly asking as I try to think through the whole 'open-source' paradigm and how it fits in a (mostly) capitalist, libertarian world. Thanks!

Researchers want you to pirate their paper as often as possible. You can only cite papers you've read, after all. The only royalty check I've ever seen from research I did is for a chapter of a book, and it was less than a dollar. Royalties don't matter.

A friend of mine just published a book in a technology press editorial. The royalty for the book is about $1 US Dollar. And the book is listed on Amazon at $50 USD paper-back.

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In my understanding, some people have donated their academic login credentials, effectively giving Sci-hub access to their institution's subscriptions. When somebody requests an article, Sci-hub will try and see if it already has it. If not, it will attempt to use some of the donated credentials to gain access, download it and store it for further download requests.

I'm still curious as to how this system works. Don't institutions have logs that would show someone researching topics wildly outside of their field of study?

Academic librarians, who negotiate terms with publishers, are obsessed with privacy and academic freedom. Bless 'em. In theory, publishers don't know who's downloading what. The librarians I've talked to say they delete their logs daily, if not several times a day.

As for geographic location, academics tend to travel a lot. Last I heard (from reading the court docs in Elsevier's lawsuit against Sci-Hub), they stopped using proxy connections a few years ago. They just log in using stored credentials, grab an auth token that lasts X minutes/hours, and download articles from whatever IP is convenient.

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I searched "particle" (as in physics etc...) and got "article not found". What's up with that?

The point of sci-hub is that it fetches specific articles for you, not to be a search engine. Find an article you want - for example, the PolderCast paper[0] - then enter a link or the DOI for that article, and it'll find the paper most of the time. [0] https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2442644

Now that makes sense. Thanks. It said I could enter a search string, so that threw me off.

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1. You produce novel research. 2. You submit novel research to the best journal you think will publish it. 3. The editor (the only person involved actually paid by the journal) invites other researchers to volunteer their time to peer review your research. 4. Assuming your research bears up under scrutiny and the peer reviewers are not actually competitors who decide to filibuster (this happens), your paper passes pe…

If academics cannot get together to fix a model so absurdly broken their problem solving capabilities come into question. They had access to the Internet before the general public, they would have realized the ridiculousness of the journal model decades ago. You can't always be a victim.

This at first made me angry, but on reflection I think you're basically right.

I think it's because modern academia lacks the slack in the system that is necessary to solve these kinds of problems.

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This reminds me of Aaron Swartz's fight. People have made great sacrifices for this. Information that can lead to or enhance knowledge and learning shouldn't be behind closed doors.

Aaron Swartz's death brings tears to my eyes to this day. Even if I have never met him, or talked to him. Or actually ever really heard of him until he had to take his life. There's a great documentary about this extraordinary guy I assume most have already seen, but I'll post it again anyways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internet%27s_Own_Boy

A terrible and tragic loss. And not the first or last victim of zealous and overwrought prosecution. This kind of overkill-prosecution is a familiar and common tactic used to oppress and silence activists.

Though not an activist, he was another hacker prosecuted by the same team as Swartz, Jonathan James. He also committed suicide, at the age of 24. When he was 17 he spent six months in a federal corrections facility for hacking. Later, in 2007, he was connected to the TJX hack. He denied involvement but was friendly with some of the hackers who were involved and his past gave him little credibility. From his suicide note:

"The feds of course would see me as much more appealing target than Chris - if they could tie me to this case I'd be like Mitnick times 10 to them. I honestly, honestly had nothing to do with TJX. Unfortunately I don't picture the feds caring all too much. Read Agent Steal's guide to getting busted. The feds play dirty. Chris called me the other day. He was in jail and they let him out. That can only mean that he too is trying to pin this on me. So despite the fact that he and Albert are the most destructive, dangerous hackers the feds ever caught, they'll let them off easy because I'm a juicier target that would please the public more than two random fucks. C'est la vie.

I have no faith in the ‘justice’ system. Perhaps my actions today, and this letter, will send a stronger message to the public. Either way, I have lost control over this situation, and this is my only way to regain control. Remember, it's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose, and sitting in jail for 20, 10, or even 5 years for a crime I didn't commit is not me winning. I die free."

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