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Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

nulagrithom wrote: post #80
jstarfish wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? A wide and impressionable audience now understands this part of history as interpreted by an internet celebrity. The ability to publish misinformation on the internet far outscales the ability of anybody to refute it. At some point you have to filter out the noise by appraising the source. If that means dismissing inflammatory history lessons from young cartoonists in Seattle, or dismissing medical advice fr…

So we should take the word of a random "author" who didn't even bother to publish his name and credentials over Inman simply because this guy blasted Inman for being a Millennial? That's just as wrong as accepting some dumb comic as the authority on history. This guy, whoever he is, goes on about "crap on the Internet" then cites a 3rd of his sources from the Internet, four of those being Wikipedia. Even better, half…

Its published by the Edison Tech Center which is a non-profit in Schenectady, NY. It doesn't need to publish on a more granular level of authorship. I guess it would be nice, but its own editorial policies are what they are and not outside of norms. I don't complain about the Economist doing the same, for example.

>His sources are mostly unverifiable crap

There is a source list at the end of the article.

Sources: -Electrification in Western Society 1880-1930. by Thomas Parke Hughes.1993 (book)

-Deutsches Museum, Munich, Germany

-Historisches Museum, Frankfurt Germany

-The General Electric Story - A Hall of Electrical History Publication.1999 (book)

-Archives of the Schenectady Museum: William Stanley files, E.W. Rice Jr. Files

-Great Barrington Historical Society

-Hawkins Electrical Guides (book series)

-Men and Volts. by John Winthrop Hammond. 1941(book)

-Folsom Powerhouse Museum. Folsom, California

-Biography of Elihu Thomson, prepared by E.W. Rice Jr.

-Archives of the Edison Tech Center: Rice Family Archives

-Almost Edison: How William Sawyer and Others Lost the Race to Electrification. by Donald Scott McPartland. 2006

Internet Sources:

-MIT website: Inventor of the Week" William Stanley

-IEEE Global History Network: Milestones: Alternating Current Electrification 1886

-http://profiles.incredible-people.com/galileo-ferraris/

-wikipedia: Nikola Tesla

-wikipedia: Transformers

-wikipedia: Hippolyte Pixii

-wikipedia: Mikhail Dolivo-Dobrovsky

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by readhn »

saiya-jin wrote: post #65
readhn wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He made wild claims that were never quite backed up by proof, claims that even now no one seems to believe were actually possible ------- when Leonardo da vinci sketched out a parachute or a helicopter-looking self propelling device prototypes that took 500 years to actually build - what did contemporaries think of him? who are we to judge a great mind? we simply cant. yes he might have gone mad, but there is a very…

he was genius, but also properly crazy (at least at the end of his life). falling in love with a pigeon, pearl detestion, obsession with nr 3 etc. this is not about not being appreciated at the given time. unless you think in 500 years it will be fashionable "to love that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me. As long as I had her, there was a purpose to my life."

obsession with number 3 ... maybe because there was something to it after all?

https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-efimov-state-physicists-fi...

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by jstarfish »

nulagrithom wrote: post #80
jstarfish wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? A wide and impressionable audience now understands this part of history as interpreted by an internet celebrity. The ability to publish misinformation on the internet far outscales the ability of anybody to refute it. At some point you have to filter out the noise by appraising the source. If that means dismissing inflammatory history lessons from young cartoonists in Seattle, or dismissing medical advice fr…

So we should take the word of a random "author" who didn't even bother to publish his name and credentials over Inman simply because this guy blasted Inman for being a Millennial? That's just as wrong as accepting some dumb comic as the authority on history. This guy, whoever he is, goes on about "crap on the Internet" then cites a 3rd of his sources from the Internet, four of those being Wikipedia. Even better, half…

> So we should take the word of a random "author" who didn't even bother to publish his name and credentials over Inman simply because this guy blasted Inman for being a Millennial?

No. I'm not saying anyone should "just" believe either party over the other.

For all of Inman's bold assertions, he cites no sources whatsoever-- not even random crap on the internet-- and ends his comic with an appeal to vandalize Wikipedia to support his argument.

Without knowing anything about ETC, from an objective standpoint, I agree with ETC's assertion that Inman isn't qualified to be publishing unsubstantiated claims about anything related to a dead man's character or accomplishments.

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by Sangermaine »

readhn wrote: post #74
Sangermaine wrote: post #64

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>It's important to keep in mind that near the end of his days, Tesla sure seemed to be experiencing some mental illness. Not just towards the end of his life, he likely had mental issues throughout his entire life. He himself reported experiencing incidents of hallucinations/strange visions of light, and had a number of very strange and exact habits that sound like some kind of OCD (including an extreme aversion to w…

how do you know that "hallucinations/strange visions of light" are not real effects that he did observe? if one person is more receptive to certain things than the other .. it does not make him or her crazy... "The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six ex…

I'm not sure how to respond to this. You're asking if Tesla had the power to see extra-dimensional structures? I guess I'm fairly secure in assuming that Tesla was experiencing hallucinations, in ways that are common among people experiencing hallucinations (unexplained lights are fairly standard), rather than possessing extra-dimensional superpowers that would, as far as we know, be completely unique to him.

Unless you're positing that anyone experiencing these types of symptoms are in fact viewing extra-dimensional objects. In which case, good luck with that.

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by product50 »

Sangermaine wrote: post #84
readhn wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you know that "hallucinations/strange visions of light" are not real effects that he did observe? if one person is more receptive to certain things than the other .. it does not make him or her crazy... "The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six ex…

I'm not sure how to respond to this. You're asking if Tesla had the power to see extra-dimensional structures? I guess I'm fairly secure in assuming that Tesla was experiencing hallucinations, in ways that are common among people experiencing hallucinations (unexplained lights are fairly standard), rather than possessing extra-dimensional superpowers that would, as far as we know, be completely unique to him. Unless…

He is just obsessed over Tesla and is making wild claims. Has no way to back up with any data except saying that this is coming from Tesla - so, who knows, it may be true.

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by QAPereo »

readhn wrote: post #75
QAPereo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when Leonardo da vinci sketched out a parachute or a helicopter-looking self propelling device prototypes that took 500 years to actually build - what did contemporaries think of him? A lot; he was widely recognized as a genius in his own time. Sadly, his helicopter wouldn't have worked, and he never sketched an ICE.

as well as Tesla was recognized during his lifetime. Plenty of folks thought da vinci was crazy too. helicopter prototype was off (just needed different shape propeller, additional stabilizing propeller and proper weight distribution), but it was on a correct development path. parachute design was correct as was demonstrated in 2000. ( http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bgE0_zA9lEU/U29iF1bk9QI/AAAAAAAAEu... ) what if tesla's…

helicopter prototype was off (just needed different shape propeller, additional stabilizing propeller and proper weight distribution)...

And an ENGINE!

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by hacker11235 »

readhn wrote: post #75
QAPereo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when Leonardo da vinci sketched out a parachute or a helicopter-looking self propelling device prototypes that took 500 years to actually build - what did contemporaries think of him? A lot; he was widely recognized as a genius in his own time. Sadly, his helicopter wouldn't have worked, and he never sketched an ICE.

as well as Tesla was recognized during his lifetime. Plenty of folks thought da vinci was crazy too. helicopter prototype was off (just needed different shape propeller, additional stabilizing propeller and proper weight distribution), but it was on a correct development path. parachute design was correct as was demonstrated in 2000. ( http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bgE0_zA9lEU/U29iF1bk9QI/AAAAAAAAEu... ) what if tesla's…

Could you expand more on the prospects of wireless transmission of electricity. I've seen some stuff about this but have had a hard time finding sources talking about it, I'm quite intrigued.

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by canjobear »

readhn wrote: post #56
mabbo wrote: post #50

It's important to keep in mind that near the end of his days, Tesla sure seemed to be experiencing some mental illness. He made wild claims that were never quite backed up by proof, claims that even now no one seems to believe were actually possible. It's a sad end to a brilliant mind. But then, when you're the FBI and WW2 is ongoing, you pay attention when a famous and brilliant inventor claims to have death rays an…

He made wild claims that were never quite backed up by proof, claims that even now no one seems to believe were actually possible ------- when Leonardo da vinci sketched out a parachute or a helicopter-looking self propelling device prototypes that took 500 years to actually build - what did contemporaries think of him? who are we to judge a great mind? we simply cant. yes he might have gone mad, but there is a very…

> who are we to judge a great mind? we simply cant.

It's not like these "great minds" are alien superintelligences. How much smarter do you think they were than the average person, in terms of IQ? Maybe 2x maximum? Seems quite possible to judge. Tesla was not a Singularity.

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by stephengillie »

hacker11235 wrote: post #87
readhn wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as well as Tesla was recognized during his lifetime. Plenty of folks thought da vinci was crazy too. helicopter prototype was off (just needed different shape propeller, additional stabilizing propeller and proper weight distribution), but it was on a correct development path. parachute design was correct as was demonstrated in 2000. ( http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bgE0_zA9lEU/U29iF1bk9QI/AAAAAAAAEu... ) what if tesla's…

Could you expand more on the prospects of wireless transmission of electricity. I've seen some stuff about this but have had a hard time finding sources talking about it, I'm quite intrigued.

If you have a new iPhone or an older Android, you could utilize this technology to charge your phone.

Re: Freedom of Information Release on Nikola Tesla (2011)

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Post by dumbfounder »

canjobear wrote: post #88
readhn wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He made wild claims that were never quite backed up by proof, claims that even now no one seems to believe were actually possible ------- when Leonardo da vinci sketched out a parachute or a helicopter-looking self propelling device prototypes that took 500 years to actually build - what did contemporaries think of him? who are we to judge a great mind? we simply cant. yes he might have gone mad, but there is a very…

> who are we to judge a great mind? we simply cant. It's not like these "great minds" are alien superintelligences. How much smarter do you think they were than the average person, in terms of IQ? Maybe 2x maximum? Seems quite possible to judge. Tesla was not a Singularity.

> It's not like these "great minds" are alien superintelligences.

I disagree, I define a truly great mind as one that thinks very differently from others, and solves problems others can't. Not someone who can just solve problems more quickly.

Why do you think it matters what his IQ is? You can't measure someone's ability to think about new things with a test that asks you to solve relatively simple brainteasers. I am sure his IQ was quite high, but that doesn't mean someone with an equivalently high IQ could do what he did.

Edit: missed a word.

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