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Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoa. That's pretty hyperbolic. Firebug is definitely cool but things like SoftICE or the Visual Studio debugger were amazing.

Visual Studio did front-end web debugging back then?

Yep it did.

Windows had one of the first JavaScript debuggers, due to JScript.

Electron already existed as MSHTML packaged apps.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#43
post #10

Firebug was the greatest thing to happen to web development. Honestly I still prefer it to the native dev tools. I especially love how most things go to the console so I don't have to jump all over the place to find the information I'm looking for. I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. It's like they're purposefully trying to make it difficult.

The firebug theme in firefox dev tools has eased the pain somewhat for me.

Thanks for mentioning it! I still miss the Firebug, it just made more sense to me. For anyone searching for info how to enable the theme: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Settings

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#44

FF Quantum seems to usher in a new era in browser development. Upgraded CSS Engine Upgraded Render Enginer with WebRender And now integrated firebug support. Exciting stuff.

WebRender is coming but absolutely isn’t ready yet; it’s not even turned on by default in Nightly (although I use it on my home machine and it’s getting a very good very quickly).

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#45

Firebug was the greatest thing to happen to web development. Honestly I still prefer it to the native dev tools. I especially love how most things go to the console so I don't have to jump all over the place to find the information I'm looking for. I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. It's like they're purposefully trying to make it difficult.

> I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome.

What do you mean? There are plenty of ways to filter down the activity tab in Chrome if the problem you're experiencing is that the volume of requests is too high to be useful.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#46
Joe Hewitt and Blake Ross have really left their mark. I wonder from time to time what they would have created if Facebook didn't acquire Parakey back in 2007. Hopefully, they will collaborate again in the future.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#47
post #13

I know Firebug was great but it didn't usher in Web 2.0 > Jan 2007, Firebug 1.0 The start of Web 2.0! O'Reilly Media Web 2.0 Conference was in 2004 We than had the infamous Time Person of the Year "YOU" "TIME selected the masses of users who were participating in content creation on social networks, blogs, wikis, and media sharing sites."

That in itself doesn't mean much. At the time it was said that Web 2.0 is like teenage sex: everyone is talking about it, almost noone is doing it and those few that are doing it are doing it all wrong. :)

I do agree that Firebug (as much as I miss it) didn't have much to do with Web 2.0 though.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#48

FF Quantum seems to usher in a new era in browser development. Upgraded CSS Engine Upgraded Render Enginer with WebRender And now integrated firebug support. Exciting stuff.

WebRender is coming but absolutely isn’t ready yet; it’s not even turned on by default in Nightly (although I use it on my home machine and it’s getting a very good very quickly).

And there is no integrated Firebug - just replacement.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#49

Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools. It leaves a great legacy with the built-in dev tools. Great project.

I often argue that Firebug is the reason Firefox is still around.

It was easier to develop on Firefox and then debug on IE. So a lot of websites worked on Firefox even if the management team didn't care (or even, in our case, when they told us not to support Firefox and we nodded and did it anyway)

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#50

Firebug was the greatest thing to happen to web development. Honestly I still prefer it to the native dev tools. I especially love how most things go to the console so I don't have to jump all over the place to find the information I'm looking for. I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. It's like they're purposefully trying to make it difficult.

> I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. What do you mean? There are plenty of ways to filter down the activity tab in Chrome if the problem you're experiencing is that the volume of requests is too high to be useful.

I am more at home in FF so this might not be true for Chrome... Just look at the simplicity and elegance of Firebug net panel (https://2r4s9p1yi1fa2jd7j43zph8r-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/fil...). I love Mozilla and respect them immensely, but any change they made to Firebug was for the worse. If they just copied the functionalities and design the result would be much better. I am very sorry I had to stop using Firebug. RIP!
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