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Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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Useful to whom? Often times the police aren't really there to be helpful to minorities. You'd think Miami Police would know a bit of Spanish just out of sheer necessity but in reality very little do. I'm not surprised at all that more Israeli police don't speak any Arabic

Spanish speaking people are definitely _not_ a minority down here in Miami hehe.

Minorities are usually defined in terms of power rather than sheer numbers.

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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I would consider obvious it'd be enormously advantageous for Israeli police to have, at least, a basic understanding of Arabic. It's like a Miami policemen without any Spanish/Portuguese knowledge.

A lot of them do, it's very common for Israeli's to be fluent in Arabic. But not all of them obviously. And in this case, considering what someone with evil intent and a bulldozer can do, I can understand arrest first, figure out what's going on second. It's not like arresting someone after the fact - in that situation you can take some time. Here it's before the fact, and seconds count.

A typical bulldozer has a top speed of less than 10 mph. I reckon they had time to think.

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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In the US which has freedom of speech laws. But which country has arrested users for Facebook posts other than authoritarian countries? Particularly for such a relatively innocuous post.

People have been arrested over facebook in the US, for example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-com... http://www.businessinsider.com/people-arrested-for-facebook-... AFAIK most of the countries have had arrestations over facebook posts, those who have not are following this global trend.

Interesting I did not know that. Of course there are limits to free speech. Threats, and involvement in criminal activity, like if I order somebody to shoot someone, that’s not protected by free speech. This was a pretty innucous statement not a threat.

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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In what country can you never be arrested for a Facebook post?

In the US which has freedom of speech laws. But which country has arrested users for Facebook posts other than authoritarian countries? Particularly for such a relatively innocuous post.

You can be arrested in the US if you were to post a legitimate threat

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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Given how ridiculously common the phrase "Good morning" is in Arabic, (I mean, look at any Arabic 101 textbook, the Sabah Al-khair / Sabah al-noor exchange is one of the first things they teach you), it's puzzling why Facebook's translation algorithm didn't see that as a fixed phrase, rather than trying to translate it word by word. So much for machine learning.

Most sources for machine translation from Arabic-English pairs are data from US Army / anti-terrorist data. So the data are learned to translate terrorist messages very well, as well as army terms. However, it doesn't translate day-to-day use that well. Machine learning is only as good as the source data - and Arabic-English language pair specifically has data from US military complex, that loves translating terroris…

> Most sources for machine translation from Arabic-English pairs are data from US Army / anti-terrorist data.

Interesting! This is HN, where's the source?

> I cannot give you exact sources

I find your claim hard enough to believe but this seals the deal.

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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Given how ridiculously common the phrase "Good morning" is in Arabic, (I mean, look at any Arabic 101 textbook, the Sabah Al-khair / Sabah al-noor exchange is one of the first things they teach you), it's puzzling why Facebook's translation algorithm didn't see that as a fixed phrase, rather than trying to translate it word by word. So much for machine learning.

Most sources for machine translation from Arabic-English pairs are data from US Army / anti-terrorist data. So the data are learned to translate terrorist messages very well, as well as army terms. However, it doesn't translate day-to-day use that well. Machine learning is only as good as the source data - and Arabic-English language pair specifically has data from US military complex, that loves translating terroris…

You're going to have to back that up. This would be a clearly biased dataset.

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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Both?

precisely - but Facebook sits upstream here

I have no love for Facebook, but it should always be the LEO's duty to verify everything, even if just to save their own ass.

Re: Facebook apologizes after wrong translation sees Palestinian man arrested

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In what country can you never be arrested for a Facebook post?

In the US which has freedom of speech laws. But which country has arrested users for Facebook posts other than authoritarian countries? Particularly for such a relatively innocuous post.

"Authoritarian country" is too prone to no-true-scottsmanship. So I'll just say that it's fairly common in the U.K., and definitely not unheard of in the U.S. Even if someone legally should not be arrested, people are people, and the police will often detain someone just to be on the safe side, when responding to a complaint. Putting something on Facebook opens you up to complaints from a potentially wide audience of lurkers who may not understand the context of a post, or worse, might be angry with you and looking for petty revenge. So, people do get arrested for Facebook posts in practice, regardless of whether it is legal to post the content.
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