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Re: America has a monopoly problem

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Peter Thiel (who works with YC) will tell you that monopolies are good for the world.

I remember reading his quote and I understood it to mean that a monopoly is good for the company that has it and a company should try to achieve a monopoly. I don't think he said that it's for the greater good.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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America has a corruption problem. The ability for companies to vertically integrate and essentially make smaller businesses non-competitive can only occur when you don't have to pay the taxes your smaller competitors have to pay and don't have to obey the same laws your competitors have to obey. We have a systemic corruption problem (manifested in lobbying) coupled with greed on scales we've never seen before. Everyt…

Well, I wouldn't say that. One problem with monopolies is they eventually grow so huge that they have tremendous influence on politics.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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post #9

Peter Thiel (who works with YC) will tell you that monopolies are good for the world.

There may be an interesting discussion here somewhere, but as constructed your comment is less likely to produce such. Do you have specifics regarding Thiel’s position and how it compares with that of the article? As is, it appears you’re looking to provoke a reaction rather than promote a productive discussion.

He gave a talk about his thoughts to a Stanford class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6K8PZxyQfU His slide on monopolies is around 4:40

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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post #6

Peter Thiel (who works with YC) will tell you that monopolies are good for the world.

They often are, because companies in highly competitive industries don’t have the excess profits to reinvest in research. Computing as we know it is largely the story of monopolies. Bell Labs bankrolled by the AT&T monopoly. Xerox PARC bankrolled by the Xerox copier monopoly. The Internet bankrolled by the ultimate monopoly (the military). The modern web bankrolled by the Google/Apple duopoly.

Yes, monopolies do have the resources to invest in R&D. The problem is that they often lack the incentive because they have control of a market.

Government regulations that mandate some return (think telecommunications services for those in rural areas, pollution standards, etc.) can provide an incentive for monopolists/oligopolists to perform better according to some criteria. The problem is those mandates are not what we would always consider "innovative". By definition, they are often designed to incrementally improve on the status quo.

The game of politics has an important role. When there are oligopolies in many industries it is not unusual to see regulators getting jobs at the very companies they regulate. Think of the ties between the SEC and finance, CRTC in Canada and the communications sector, etc. Monopolists have a way of cementing their position in the economy and reducing the mandates that governments place on them.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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post #6

Peter Thiel (who works with YC) will tell you that monopolies are good for the world.

They often are, because companies in highly competitive industries don’t have the excess profits to reinvest in research. Computing as we know it is largely the story of monopolies. Bell Labs bankrolled by the AT&T monopoly. Xerox PARC bankrolled by the Xerox copier monopoly. The Internet bankrolled by the ultimate monopoly (the military). The modern web bankrolled by the Google/Apple duopoly.

I don't really think it is fair or reasonable to gloss over the tremendous role of government research by just calling the military "the ultimate monopoly."

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They often are, because companies in highly competitive industries don’t have the excess profits to reinvest in research. Computing as we know it is largely the story of monopolies. Bell Labs bankrolled by the AT&T monopoly. Xerox PARC bankrolled by the Xerox copier monopoly. The Internet bankrolled by the ultimate monopoly (the military). The modern web bankrolled by the Google/Apple duopoly.

>companies in highly competitive industries don’t have the excess profits to reinvest in research. On the flip side, monopolies often have little incentive to invest in improving their products/services, and find they can profit from making their products cheaper/worse.

Or outright killing research that threatens their main revenue drivers. Like, OK, we eventually got digital cameras, but Kodak didn't do anything with it for a long time because they wanted to keep selling film. With graver consequences, Exxon decided to suppress its own findings about climate change.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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America has a corruption problem. The ability for companies to vertically integrate and essentially make smaller businesses non-competitive can only occur when you don't have to pay the taxes your smaller competitors have to pay and don't have to obey the same laws your competitors have to obey. We have a systemic corruption problem (manifested in lobbying) coupled with greed on scales we've never seen before. Everyt…

Our preference for (relatively) high levels of local control (and the resulting tiered cake of tax jurisdictions and regulatory domains) makes our system incredibly vulnerable to race-to-the-bottom behavior when confronted with powerful non-state actors (corporations). Our fear of a hypothetical (though, to be clear, in other times and places realized) evil state leaves us with a host of real, everyday stresses, annoyances, and inefficiencies. It's a drag on GDP and, especially, on quality of life.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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post #6

Peter Thiel (who works with YC) will tell you that monopolies are good for the world.

They often are, because companies in highly competitive industries don’t have the excess profits to reinvest in research. Computing as we know it is largely the story of monopolies. Bell Labs bankrolled by the AT&T monopoly. Xerox PARC bankrolled by the Xerox copier monopoly. The Internet bankrolled by the ultimate monopoly (the military). The modern web bankrolled by the Google/Apple duopoly.

I guess as long as they are regulated, monopolies can be beneficial to the society overall, in many ways intangibly. Bell Labs is a great example of something that kept on giving (Unix, C, etc).

I wonder what could make something like Comcast into a "good monopoly" though.

Another aspect is that commercial competition, while generally accepted as a system that in the end delivers superior results, seems woefully inefficient in terms of waste of resources, as opposed to something like academic competition, were people freely reuse competitors' previous work.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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Peter Thiel (who works with YC) will tell you that monopolies are good for the world.

Argument consists of: Appeal to Authority fallacy Grade: F (see me after class)

Not sure why I'm being downvoted? OP throws out "Peter Thiel says monopolies are good," which is an appeal to authority and a post meant to cause controversy.

Re: America has a monopoly problem

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post #17
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They often are, because companies in highly competitive industries don’t have the excess profits to reinvest in research. Computing as we know it is largely the story of monopolies. Bell Labs bankrolled by the AT&T monopoly. Xerox PARC bankrolled by the Xerox copier monopoly. The Internet bankrolled by the ultimate monopoly (the military). The modern web bankrolled by the Google/Apple duopoly.

Yet all of those monopolies either imploded, had their markets simply dry up, were out-innovated by smaller competitors, or investors just moved onto hotter fads. The crashing and burning of a big monopoly may very well be a healthy event; but oh the damage they do before then...

Well it's not entirely clear that everything's great afterward either, since a lot of people are employed by any monopoly that crashes and burns and whole towns or regions can be devastated by that event.
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