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Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by dep_b »

epistasis wrote: post #21

Almost all of the animations on iOS are about 2x-3x as long as they should be. First off, they look terrible, the slooooooow change from one thing to another. Secondly, they severely impede usability because you have to wait wait wait for 1000ms here, 1000ms there, and another 1000ms there after every action. It's enough to make me want to give up privacy and switch to Android. Soooo pissed at slow animations. 500ms,…

The weird thing the constants for animation times in iOS are between 200ms and 350ms depending on what you do (segue, show keyboard) and I don't think they have changed.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by dep_b »

m3rc wrote: post #151
veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

Huh, but earlier today I was told in a HN thread that Android was a "trash OS" and "okay for developing countries and lower cost phones" and "iOS was the only choice for any sort of functional device". What should I believe? /s

You want mayonaise or mustard on your shit sandwich?

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by j605 »

patwolf wrote: post #339

Another UX issue I've seen with the iPhone calculator: My wife is a nurse and uses the iPhone calculator to calculate doses. She performed a calculation like 2.25 / 1.5 = It did give the correct answer of 1.5 . However, there was no animation or blanking out of the display to easily distinguish between the operand of 1.5 and the result of 1.5. She thought it was a bug and wasn't giving her an answer. I always thought…

I am more scared of professionals using a phone calculator instead of a dumb calculator that should work all the time. I always carry around my scientific calculator not because my phone can't do it but because it is more reliable.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by jdmichal »

osteele wrote: post #310
realityking wrote: post #220

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They‘re listed on the App Store but they‘re fake listings. Removing a core app from the home screen does not remove it from the device. Installing it from the App Store restores that link. That means updates still need to be a part of a system update.

In iOS 10, reinstalling the News or Calculator apps was instant. In iOS 11, the App Store list sizes for these apps, and reinstalling them takes a few seconds (on my phone and connection). I haven’t measured data usage, but I suspect this means that removing Calculator’s icon actually removes its code from the system. If that is true, it is potentially upgradeable independent of the iOS system, at least from a techni…

How this works in Android for system apps: One can only disable a system app. This disable button replaces the uninstall button. It deletes any updates to the app from your phone, since it will obviously still have the original version baked into the ROM, and removes it from the app list. It might also disable any service registrations for the app... Unsure on whether that's true.

Re-enabling the app will basically restore the ROM version. You can then install updates from the store, which I think is basically a full install and the ROM version is ignored again, based on the consumed space of such apps.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by FreezerburnV »

coldtea wrote: post #320
suckerburg wrote: post #312

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Didn't the iphone 4 antenna issue happen under Jobs? With him claiming you're holding the phone wrong or something like that.

You mean the iPhone 4 antenna non-issue? Lots of bugs and issues happened under Jobs, but this was the usual press BS. The iPhone 4 went on to sell 50 millions of devices or so with that antenna and nobody in the real world had much of an issue with it.

No it definitely existed. I got a 4, and it was not uncommon to go from a perfectly fine phone call, to a dropped phone call until I got a case.

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Post by colejohnson66 »

mcny wrote: post #324
whalesalad wrote: post #318

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Your solutions are a little off the mark. Treating the animation as the problem is merely treating the symptoms. What needs to happen here is pressing the button needs to immediately register the press elsewhere in the code. The UI animations and the button tap should be decoupled entirely. Then the user can tap away as fast as their heart desires and only the animations are going to continue on. That’s an easy probl…

My professor likes to tell this story about keyboard buffers that I never quite understood. Basically, in this old time terminal setup he would start typing the password before the prompt showed up or something and when it did, it would just sail through. Sort of like how I can apt upgrade while apt update is still running but fancier and a couple of decades before...

The computers at my old job working as a cashier did that. It made working with produce so much faster because as soon as I heard the beep, I could move on to the next item, even if the screen hasn’t updated yet.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by mynameishere »

ars wrote: post #11

Summary: It animates the + button when you press it, and blocks any further touches till the animation is done. Video: https://streamable.com/4xsh9

Is that the actual UI? Oh, man, that is fricking ugly. Biggest computer company in the world, everyone! Famous for their good design! Think how many well-paid people signed off on that dog.

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Post by jaredklewis »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #296
jaredklewis wrote: post #282

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Are you a programmer? If so, is not getting yelled at what motivates you to write good software?

I am a programmer. And if I shipped a crap like this, I would agree that I deserve to be yelled at. But the problem is probably not at developer level, it's higher ups who don't care about quality control, which permeate downwards.

You didn’t answer the question, but I’ll go ahead and suggest that you are motivated to create good software, not by a fear of being yelled at, but rather something else. Maybe you think the product you are making is of actual value, and are proud of it. Maybe you want to impress your boss with the quality so you can get a raise. Maybe you don’t want to be fired.

In any case, I would be shocked if there was anyone, anywhere that thought: “you know, I would have put in the effort, but I knew even if I screwed up, no one would verbally abuse me, so why bother?”

Just my opinion, but I would reckon no software has ever been made better by verbal abuse. Jobs succeeded in spite of it, not because of it. Going on a tirade is something egomaniacs do when they can’t control their temper, not an effective motivational strategy.

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Post by listentojohan »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #296
jaredklewis wrote: post #282

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Are you a programmer? If so, is not getting yelled at what motivates you to write good software?

I am a programmer. And if I shipped a crap like this, I would agree that I deserve to be yelled at. But the problem is probably not at developer level, it's higher ups who don't care about quality control, which permeate downwards.

Would getting yelled at make you perform better?

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by akvadrako »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #330
zimpenfish wrote: post #305

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Technically the 6s is now [latest - 2] hardware. X/8/8+ have the A11 Bionic; 7/7+ have the A10 Fusion; 6s has the A9.

Exactly what I said. It runs "fine" on 7, while it runs slow(er) on 6S.

iOS 11 runs fine and just as fast as iOS 10 on my SE. It sounds like you are experiencing a bug.
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