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Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by m3rc »

veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

Huh, but earlier today I was told in a HN thread that Android was a "trash OS" and "okay for developing countries and lower cost phones" and "iOS was the only choice for any sort of functional device".

What should I believe? /s

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by SilasX »

veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

Every microwave I’ve used since about 2000 (an admittedly small sample) has this really annoying thing where you have to wait before hitting start after you enter the time. Not sure if it’s some safety feature or just bad design decisions but it’s really annoying compared to the time lost.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by kemayo »

always_good wrote: post #150
kemayo wrote: post #53

People are talking about "lag" and performance, as if this was a "the system can't handle it!" issue. This is a misleading description. The actual issue is that some developer at Apple screwed up their animation configuration when implementing the calculator redesign, and nobody tested adding more than two numbers together quickly. Multiple failures, none involving system performance. What's happening is: the operato…

> tap an operand, tap a number, then tap the operand The numbers are the operands.

Heh, yes, you're quite right. "Operator" is what I should have said. Total brain fart. :D

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by JSONwebtoken »

sogen wrote: post #2

As the thread says, I can confirm this bug, the answer: 24 :( iOS 11 must be the buggiest piece of s I've ever tried. Stuck animations, apps that take ages to load, widgets not working, more stuck animations, text overlapping everywhere. Related: Flat design was supposed to make things leaner... EDIT: Worst of all, every single operation is wrong: 7+8+9 = 96 4+5+6 = 60

1+ 23 = 24

7 + 89 = 96

4 + 56 = 60

The second "+" isn't registering because the animation tied to the operator buttons for some reason only blocks other non-numerical inputs for the duration of the animation.

I don't even own an iPhone or have experienced the bug, just guessing at the cause.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by learc83 »

shakna wrote: post #136
gh02t wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, a lot of microcontrollers have integrated capacitive sensing (Atmel calls it QTouch, other manufacturers have similar). In that case a capacitive button is very near free, as you only need an extra trace that is reliable to fabricate and requires minimal extra soldering. Capacitive buttons have some distinct advantages too, primarily being waterproof and nearly infinite durability. A lot of UI issues like OPs s…

Capacitive also has some drawbacks. Like with this oven... They tend to be temperature sensitive, depending on shielding. Delays with QTouch aren't unusual above 120F.

I'm pretty confident the problems with the oven are software related and nothing to do with the inherent limitations of capacitive inputs.

The problem described occurs before the oven even has time to heat up at all much less heat the input panel to 120F.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by plainOldText »

grzm wrote: post #62
plainOldText wrote: post #34

I absolutely abhor the new Calculator app on the iOS 11. The old interface was way more elegant, the buttons were squares (and had a larger touch area), and it worked even when you typed fast. Sometimes I wonder why individuals working for these multibillion dollar companies, who affect the lives of millions of people, decide to change things for the worse. Imagine having spent all those hours overhauling the calcula…

I agree that the described bug is a very frustrating bug. As for old squares vs the new circles, that's an aesthetic choice I'm sure some will like and some won't. My impression is that the old UI is more in keeping with the HP calculator it emulated. Personally it's not something I'm overly concerned about but I can understand how some may be. (Don't get me started on the Contacts icon which I can never seem to be a…

Here's how I see it:

I look at a button as defined by its shape as "perceived touchable area".

A circle enclosed in a square has a smaller area than the square enclosing the circle. You're seeing the new buttons as circles (thus smaller area), even though behind the scenes (as your little experiment has demonstrated) the buttons are still squares (real touchable area) on a grid.

I would also argue the eyes have a harder time parsing the layout, as the visual boundaries between the circular buttons have more complex shapes than the old UI, where the boundaries were very thin lines.

If you want to run another "experiment" – albeit theoretical – imagine we shrink the "perceived touchable area" of each button even further, say we get rid of the circular background and keep solely the digit displayed on the button. Your eyes will now perceive the visual representation of the button, as only the digit, and I would say our initial impulse is to touch what we see and not some imaginary boundary we know exists.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by sogen »

uptownfunk wrote: post #16

I really like my iphone because the hardware is so damn reliable. I haven't had my iphone 6 fail on me in over 2 years. It's also pretty tough, I treat it like crap and it still works. The software definitely blows. Does anyone know of another smartphone brand where the hardware is close to being as good as the iphone?

two years ago I used for a couple months a sony xperia, very nice and solid.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by jasomill »

kristianp wrote: post #69
MarkSweep wrote: post #63

The calculator in Windows 10 got a similar "upgrade". It now has a loading screen that eats keystrokes. The Windows 7 just launched instantly and took 10% the RAM and threads (seriously, the Win10 calc.exe has 28 threads!) It would be one thing if these companies were making greenfield apps and choose Electron to make their calculator app. But both Apple and Microsoft had perfectly functional calculator apps before,…

Both the lock screen and the start menu have loading delays that eat keystrokes. It seems to be acceptable to the Windows team that this happens.

I agree that this behavior is terrible, and arguably even worse when menu animations are disabled, yet the Start menu delay remains more or less the same.

What appears to be happening — I have no idea what's actually happening, but my guess as to what the problem may be, is that there's no special handling of Start menu keyboard input, just a set of systemwide shortcuts that tell Explorer to open the Start menu and then to steal keyboard focus.

My fear is that the reason that no special effort appears to have been made to fix this is not some significant technical difficulty, but out of some explicit or implicit management decision that time spent fixing a bug that's only visible to the very few users who even realize the Start menu accepts keyboard input in the first place would be better spent on "important stuff", like, um, making the taskbar "more social"[1].

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/26/windows-10-gets-more-socia...

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by ehnto »

matt4077 wrote: post #33
veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

I don't feel like Apple is overdoing animations. They are mostly only used where they make sense, such as showing you where something disappears to, allowing you to find it it later. There are also options to reduce animations in both macOS and iOS, although I'm not sure if the calculator responds to that. But you're absolutely right about these non-responsive 2D stove controls. I have o multiple occasions given up o…

At first I found smartphone screens really intuitive. You tap the thing you want, swipe the direction you want to go and such.

But with the added layer of animations post interaction it can feel really cumbersome and disconnected. Imagine if each key on the keyboard had an associated delay and animation and you can see how it might impede a user's progress in other scenarios as well.

I think it is a case of the rule of cool winning during design and development, and then because the devices and sites we use become daily use items we end up growing tired of the mounting small inconveniences.

Imagine if every time you opened your wallet you had to wait a few seconds for it to slide open from a button press, rather than it just opening as you manipulate it.

You lose a slight bit of control over the situation and it's timliness and that adds up over the course of long time use until eventually you throw out the wallet and buy a more rudimentary one that "just opens for crying out loud".

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by balls187 »

veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

One of the biggest reasons I stopped paying for cable is the major lag in digital tv set top boxes.
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