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Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by Nition »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #77
veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

Another example, which has existed for as long as I have known, is the spinning number selectors on iOS, used in apps such as Clock for setting alarms or selecting times/dates. The new value doesn't register until the animation completes, so if I set my alarm too fast, it doesn't save: Let's say the alarm is set to 09:00 and I change it to 09:30. So I spin the minute field up to 30 and hit Save. If I do it too quickl…

I find the spinner interface is a bit clunky in the first place as well. I haven't found anything as fast to use as the N9-style circle[1].

[1] http://www.nition.co/2014/08/the-nokia-n9-alarm-clock

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by myrion »

veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

Twitter's search is similarly annoying. I most often use it to search for a person. I type in my search, the person shows up and in the time it takes me to move my cursor/thumb to the person and click, Twitter inserts some useless hashtags above the people it found. Now I have to search, wait for the replacing to happen, then click on the person I'd already found but was moved out of the way.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by gdubs »

bcherny wrote: post #94
kemayo wrote: post #53

People are talking about "lag" and performance, as if this was a "the system can't handle it!" issue. This is a misleading description. The actual issue is that some developer at Apple screwed up their animation configuration when implementing the calculator redesign, and nobody tested adding more than two numbers together quickly. Multiple failures, none involving system performance. What's happening is: the operato…

Does iOS runtime not use evented I/O? Coming from web, I would expect tap events to queue up while the thread is busy with an animation.

It’s a simpler matter of not passing “allowuserinteraction” to the UIView animation options.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by systoll »

deckarep wrote: post #36
tedunangst wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hard to know what it is. Watch the screen. You can see the animation.

The animation doesn’t mean anything. You should be able to have many animations happening in parallel and their completions should not block keyboard events from being handled...

keyboard events are fine — with a Bluetooth keyboard, you get the right answer no matter how fast you type.

The animation shouldn’t prevent the + button from being pressed again, but it does. That’s the bug.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by learc83 »

shakna wrote: post #45
Nition wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capacitive buttons are a plague, man. Even the cheap new stoves have them now. Monitors and TVs have had them for a while. Cars are going for touch displays. There's a delay, they don't work every time, and you can't feel them out. Are they cheaper? I don't understand the point of them in the cases where they're literally just replacing a real button. The worst is when they don't even indicate clearly where the butto…

> Are they cheaper? Not generally, by neither are they more expensive generally. However, there's a large section of consumers that see that sort of thing and somehow assume it means the product is of higher quality, or that's what comes up in the marketing meetings I've had to sit through whilst advocating for mechanical switches.

They are definitely cheaper most of the time. They are often just a trace on a PCB.

Product designers hate mechanical switches because they are almost always the first thing to wear out. Including a switch robust enough to last as long as the rest of the product is generally too expensive for consumer electronics.

Capacitive buttons can be made much better with some kind of instant feedback to replace the tactile feedback of physical buttons.

The problem is that adding that kind of feedback costs money. Even if it's just a few pennies per device, most manufacturers won't do it for consumer devices. That kind of penny pinching is the reason I avoid consumer grade products if at all feasible.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by TrickyRick »

tedunangst wrote: post #29
deckarep wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm it could be but who knows? Almost there entire eco-system is closed off so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess we’re at the mercy of an update so we can get back to calculating things with at least a few order of magnitudes of accuracy...

It's not hard to know what it is. Watch the screen. You can see the animation.

Or try typing it slower and you'll see that the result is correct

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by ClassyJacket »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #77
veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

Another example, which has existed for as long as I have known, is the spinning number selectors on iOS, used in apps such as Clock for setting alarms or selecting times/dates. The new value doesn't register until the animation completes, so if I set my alarm too fast, it doesn't save: Let's say the alarm is set to 09:00 and I change it to 09:30. So I spin the minute field up to 30 and hit Save. If I do it too quickl…

I missed an alarm yesterday because of this. I can't be believe they still haven't fixed it! If the spinner is still moving AT ALL, nope, it silently fails.
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