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Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by kirubakaran »

microcolonel wrote: post #41
kirubakaran wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally with you there. The HEPA air purifier that I just bought registers input on keyup instead of keydown. This makes you push harder on the buttons, which are just icons, not real buttons, and hence have no tactile feedback. On one hand this is too trivial a thing to be annoyed by, but they could've so easily made it work on keydown and it would've been better! It makes me go "why man, why!"

Does your air filter at least retain its state when unplugged? I take it for granted that if the hard dial on mine is set to an on position, it will be on in that position when I plug it in (or today, when the power comes back on from an outage).

Good question; it didn't occur to me. I checked now and looks like they thought of that. I'm a little happier about the purchase, thanks! :-)

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by kemayo »

People are talking about "lag" and performance, as if this was a "the system can't handle it!" issue. This is a misleading description. The actual issue is that some developer at Apple screwed up their animation configuration when implementing the calculator redesign, and nobody tested adding more than two numbers together quickly. Multiple failures, none involving system performance.

What's happening is: the operator buttons have an animation on them, and they don't register inputs while the animation is running. The animation is pretty long, so it's quite easy to tap an operator, tap a number, then tap the operator again and have your input be missed.

Conveniently, this should be a trivial fix. Just abort the animation when a second input is received while it's still running and register the touch. (Or, lazily, make the animations a lot faster.)

Edit: I got operator/operand mixed up while writing this. :P

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by [deleted] »

krastanov wrote: post #49
Nition wrote: post #25

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Capacitive buttons are a plague, man. Even the cheap new stoves have them now. Monitors and TVs have had them for a while. Cars are going for touch displays. There's a delay, they don't work every time, and you can't feel them out. Are they cheaper? I don't understand the point of them in the cases where they're literally just replacing a real button. The worst is when they don't even indicate clearly where the butto…

They certainly must be cheaper - no mechanical components, just a single wire (instead of two) connecting the pad to the micro-controller. And they are "fancy"/"futuristic". My lab placed fancy touch-screens in the place of the light switches. Now turning the lights on or off takes at least 15 seconds but we get to pretend to be luxurious :(

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Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by teej »

veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

I hate to be this guy but Steve Jobs would have fucking eviscerated the team that produced this. The first time he used the calculator and got 24 instead of 6, he would’ve walked straight to whoever wrote the software and gotten it fixed. There’s no one at Apple who can do that anymore.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by lozaning »

microcolonel wrote: post #41
kirubakaran wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally with you there. The HEPA air purifier that I just bought registers input on keyup instead of keydown. This makes you push harder on the buttons, which are just icons, not real buttons, and hence have no tactile feedback. On one hand this is too trivial a thing to be annoyed by, but they could've so easily made it work on keydown and it would've been better! It makes me go "why man, why!"

Does your air filter at least retain its state when unplugged? I take it for granted that if the hard dial on mine is set to an on position, it will be on in that position when I plug it in (or today, when the power comes back on from an outage).

Now that I've taken steps to automate the vast majority of my house I put an extremely high value on state restoration. 9 out of 10 times a decent mid range device with state restoration and a smart plug is a much better solution then the high end connected equivalent, and at a lower price point as a bonus.

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by b1daly »

matt4077 wrote: post #33
veidr wrote: post #6

"Jony wants you to take time and appreciate the simplicity of the slowly dimming animations. Or we’re just using it wrong." Apple has lots of issues like this, in iOS and macOS, where they choose visual appeal over functionality, or where animation impedes usability. This is a pretty sad bug, though. My (very expensive, "high-end") Japanese induction stove has a similar issue. Its capacitive touch controls take just…

I don't feel like Apple is overdoing animations. They are mostly only used where they make sense, such as showing you where something disappears to, allowing you to find it it later. There are also options to reduce animations in both macOS and iOS, although I'm not sure if the calculator responds to that. But you're absolutely right about these non-responsive 2D stove controls. I have o multiple occasions given up o…

The applications make the interface feel slower, and it seems like they must make the interface slower, as it is extra work for the processors. I wish the could be shut off entirely!

Re: Try quickly typing 1+ 2 + 3 into the iOS 11 Calculator

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Post by Nition »

shakna wrote: post #45
Nition wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capacitive buttons are a plague, man. Even the cheap new stoves have them now. Monitors and TVs have had them for a while. Cars are going for touch displays. There's a delay, they don't work every time, and you can't feel them out. Are they cheaper? I don't understand the point of them in the cases where they're literally just replacing a real button. The worst is when they don't even indicate clearly where the butto…

> Are they cheaper? Not generally, by neither are they more expensive generally. However, there's a large section of consumers that see that sort of thing and somehow assume it means the product is of higher quality, or that's what comes up in the marketing meetings I've had to sit through whilst advocating for mechanical switches.

It definitely looks more sort of futuristic, I have to concede that. Too bad we have to actually use these devices instead of just admiring them in the shop. Thank you for advocating mechanical buttons.
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