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Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by junkcollector » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:00 PM UTC

5706906c06c wrote: post #319

groupthink-- wrote: post #261

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if by "brown people" you mean hispanic, that doesn't do much good for OP, who is most likely asian or indian. hispanic kids are even worse than white kids when it comes to making life hell for asian kids.

Armenian, actually, and that reduces the numbers to a very small population here, Fresno and L.A. Edit: there are other communities on the East Coast AFAIK, but I would be trading this for that.

Dallas specifically has a sizeable and vibrant Armenian community in the northern suburbs which also have very good schools and are affordable when compared to anywhere in Cali. North of Dallas is also a significant tech hub.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by riot504 » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:04 PM UTC

WalterSear wrote: post #416

tezzer wrote: post #385

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So I still won't be able to see my kids awake because of a 1.5 hour commute each way, but I'll be able to read the newspaper on the way to work? No thanks.

You do what you like. I'll arrive at work at 11 for my first meeting, having gotten a solid 1.5 hours of uninterrupted work done already, and be wrapping up any collaboration in order to return to my mobile cubicle by 4. Of course, I'll still be available via skype. The morning stand up may happen while everyone is leaving their driveway. Soon enough this new daily routine is going to be about as disruptive to produc…

Why do we even need to get into any transportation system, why not work remotely 90% of the time?

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by 5706906c06c » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:06 PM UTC

junkcollector wrote: post #531

5706906c06c wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Armenian, actually, and that reduces the numbers to a very small population here, Fresno and L.A. Edit: there are other communities on the East Coast AFAIK, but I would be trading this for that.

Dallas specifically has a sizeable and vibrant Armenian community in the northern suburbs which also have very good schools and are affordable when compared to anywhere in Cali. North of Dallas is also a significant tech hub.

I have no idea, thank you!

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by kaybe » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:10 PM UTC

tezzer wrote: post #385

WalterSear wrote: post #341

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Self-driving cars are going to be rewriting the commute paradigm. It's important to factor that in.

So I still won't be able to see my kids awake because of a 1.5 hour commute each way, but I'll be able to read the newspaper on the way to work? No thanks.

Now that I think about it, self-driving cars might not be all that useful to me because if I'm not the driver I can only sleep or stare out of the window lest I get horrible motion sickness.

I wonder how many people are like this.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by WalterSear » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:11 PM UTC

riot504 wrote: post #532

WalterSear wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do what you like. I'll arrive at work at 11 for my first meeting, having gotten a solid 1.5 hours of uninterrupted work done already, and be wrapping up any collaboration in order to return to my mobile cubicle by 4. Of course, I'll still be available via skype. The morning stand up may happen while everyone is leaving their driveway. Soon enough this new daily routine is going to be about as disruptive to produc…

Why do we even need to get into any transportation system, why not work remotely 90% of the time?

Why don't we work remotely 90% of the time already?

There are deep seated biological and cultural reasons why current technologies don't replace physical proximity.

Some of the more important ones, such as networking, remote technologies can't even try to address. It's terrible for job seeking, lateral career changes and building connections.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by hx87 » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:11 PM UTC

lisper wrote: post #399

mixmastamyk wrote: post #208

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Plenty of space, too many NIMBYs. Just heard a lady in my neighborhood in L.A. complaining about the development of a parking lot and crackhouse into a modern apartment building. Didn’t even bother to argue, sometimes the divide is too great.

And what exactly is wrong with NIMBY-ism? Not everyone likes living in dense cities. I don't see anything wrong with groups of people who prefer to live in less dense development working together to create less dense places to live. The problem is that there are (as I said) more people who prefer to live in less dense development than there is space to accommodate them all. At that point, the market takes over and de…

NIMBYism is fine, as long as it is applied to businesses as well as housing. Way too many towns and cities want to maintain their low density small town & suburban characters while attracting employers.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by Mz » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:12 PM UTC

grzm wrote: post #525

Mz wrote: post #519

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Well, how can I say that better? How would you inquire if someone is interested in doing something more with the information and willing to discuss it with you? You know, without sounding like a leech imposing on their time with your half baked idea. I have run multiple websites for years, but I can't figure out how to develop them more effectively. I had a Fortune 500 job. I have a Certificate in GIS. Etc. But, I ca…

For another anecdotal perspective, I don't read your initial inquiry or its response as particularly problematic. I can understand why you might feel disappointed or frustrated. I don't read their short response as defensive, but rather as a more genuine expression that they're not interested in doing much more than what they've already done, rather than them not taking you seriously. One might misread your opening q…

I appreciate your comment. I mean that sincerely. But, here is the rut I can't find any way out of that I tried to avoid commenting on because it seems like a great way to put out the fire with gasoline, but I am a woman. So when I came to Hacker News, if men talked to me at all, I either got shitty condescending pat on the head encouragement ("You should do a website on X topic" by someone who obviously had not looked at my profile to see the link to the website on X topic listed in my profile) or people were clearly talking to me because "Oh my god. It's a Girl!!!!" and they are excited as hell to be talking to a Girl! And not really interested in discussing anything useful with me. Or ..there is probably some other complaint in there. I am having a sucktastic week and whatever.

But, it does not matter what I do, I cannot get serious traction with anything I do, much less turn it into serious money.

I was homeless for nearly 6 years until very recently. I got accused of "panhandling the internet" (Not on HN -- only metafilter would stoop so low) and my constant requests for help in developing an online income were largely ignored. And It does not matter how I ask, how I work on that. It seems to only get very marginally better, extremely slowly. At the rate I am going, I will be 100 years old before I have a middle class lifestyle again.

And I'm broke as hell today and I need more income. This is a serious problem for me. I've been patient. I've worked hard. I've done everything I know how to do. It is never enough.

What is the goddamn secret handshake for being let into the proverbial old boys club so I can be allowed to earn more than a pittance?

/totally ineffectual rant that will either be completely ignored, downvoted to hell or pissed on for some reason, no doubt. But I am at wit's end. So have at it. It won't make my broke ass life any worse.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by hx87 » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:13 PM UTC

lisper wrote: post #388

deepsun wrote: post #311

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If you drive 30 minutes any direction from San Francisco, you will see plenty of vast empty fields covered with wild grasses. I don't argue that we should cover all the land available with houses, I like wild grass, but I just point out that if we really hadn't enough space -- we would have settled it already. I've never heard the now popular "Earth is overpopulated" rant from anyone who lives outside major metro. Go…

> I like wild grass And that is the problem. You're not the only one. Yes, if we turned the San Francisco Bay area into a clone of Manhattan or Hong Kong or Tokyo we could accommodate a lot more people. But a lot of people would not consider that a good outcome. People who like that kind of lifestyle can have it in any of the dozens of dense cities on the planet. The SFBay area is desirable precisely because it is no…

> But a lot of people would not consider that a good outcome.

If they didn't consider that a good outcome, they would stop paying money to move there, or move out, and cause housing prices to drop, thus solving the problem.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by hx87 » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:17 PM UTC

If SF Bay Area cities can't be bothered to build enough housing, they should at least have the decency to tax the fuck out of business until they start moving out and housing prices regress to 3x the median rent.

If you want the companies, you must take their employees. If you don't want their employees, you shouldn't have the companies.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by bittercynic » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 9:17 PM UTC

deepsun wrote: post #466

lisper wrote: post #388

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> I like wild grass And that is the problem. You're not the only one. Yes, if we turned the San Francisco Bay area into a clone of Manhattan or Hong Kong or Tokyo we could accommodate a lot more people. But a lot of people would not consider that a good outcome. People who like that kind of lifestyle can have it in any of the dozens of dense cities on the planet. The SFBay area is desirable precisely because it is no…

Exactly my point -- if we were really overpopulated, then those desires would have stepped aside for the dire need of housing.

Concerns about global overpopulation are not usually about housing, but how much of the total energy in the system can be safely diverted to our uses. I think it is reasonable to be concerned when one species controls a large fraction of the energy in an ecosystem.