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Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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I wasn't alluding to cost as in money, though I do agree with others here that you're paying one way or another. In relation to Facebook user I was alluding to addiction and the way you pay for that addiction.

Yes, but the discussion is about service providers using Facebook's platform, not Facebook's end users.

That's true but you are, hence so was I when replying to you.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Yes, but the discussion is about service providers using Facebook's platform, not Facebook's end users.

That's true but you are, hence so was I when replying to you.

I was not, actually. That's why I said it was a bad analogy.

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How is this a Walmart problem though? This is a totally natural result of free-market competition. When two competing pizza restaurants can no longer squeeze a lower price by reducing quality or working staff harder, they move the production offshore to countries with lower costs (usually looks like slavery). If we want to stop this natural phenomenon we would need new trade agreements to provide a financial incentiv…

It's a monopoly or concentration of power problem, not a problem with capitalism per se.

It's not a monopoly though, this is simply the inevitable conclusion to any price competition: suppliers will be pressed to cut costs in ways that lose American jobs. Having a minimum wage means other countries can undercut our labor and pass some of the savings on to the retailers, who then compete more efficiently vs those who do not put pressure on suppliers. There are many legitimate reasons to criticize Walmart, this one is not one of those.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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How is this a Walmart problem though? This is a totally natural result of free-market competition. When two competing pizza restaurants can no longer squeeze a lower price by reducing quality or working staff harder, they move the production offshore to countries with lower costs (usually looks like slavery). If we want to stop this natural phenomenon we would need new trade agreements to provide a financial incentiv…

Human society's categorization of Capitalism as "natural" is probably the reason most responsible for keeping us back from a better world. When you do that, greed is no longer considered a vice but a virtue.

Are you implying that communism is the way forward? I think a lot of murdered people would like to have a word with you, but that wasn't real communism right?

If not, please explain your "way forward" that solves the problems that capitalism doesn't while still retaining the same incentives that appeal to basic human psychology. I'm sincerely interested.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Human society's categorization of Capitalism as "natural" is probably the reason most responsible for keeping us back from a better world. When you do that, greed is no longer considered a vice but a virtue.

Are you implying that communism is the way forward? I think a lot of murdered people would like to have a word with you, but that wasn't real communism right? If not, please explain your "way forward" that solves the problems that capitalism doesn't while still retaining the same incentives that appeal to basic human psychology. I'm sincerely interested.

This is an unnecessary strawman. Additionally, any political/economic system is going to have its fair share of blood on its hands. Capitalism included.

I think the person you replied to was opting for evaluating these and other systems in a different light. Judging by your extreme overreaction, I think you missed this important point.

Edit to add: Also, as feedback, the degree of sincerity you claim to have of your interest is undermined by the rest of your response. It would not surprise me if no one took the risk to have a more productive conversation, so please do not take silence as validation.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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That's true but you are, hence so was I when replying to you.

I was not, actually. That's why I said it was a bad analogy.

Oh I must have been confused when you said "end-users". But either way I think my analogy stands.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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I don’t know - how many posts is an individual meant to consume in a day? X friends + Y followed pages x Z average posts per day. What’s the baseline X for an average user, 100? 300? What about Y pages liked / followed, another hundred? Plus if like half the feed is “A friend liked this post: “ you have even more content to consume that you didn’t even sign up for directly.

yeah wow, it's almost like if FB let you store and categorize things in a chronologically ordered list, and filter posts based on customizable preferences, people might be able to manage their feed GASP ... themselves!

But then how would they know about all the highest-ranked paid/sponsored/promoted posts from Facebook's closest friends?

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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As a former active user on Facebook, this sort of change may succeed in bringing people like me back to the site. The minimal effort required in hitting that "share" button means that every page that organically reached my friends would end up polluting my news feed as well with crap that I wasn't interested in and got in the way of what I had originally joined FB for. If my friends aren't seeing these posts, they wo…

Its funny that to advertisers this is like the start of nuclear war, but to me it might mean I actually start using facebook more. I hardly ever login any more, when I do I usually have 80+ notifications. I never bother looking at my facebook feed since its just a dumpsterfire of garbage I'm not interested in. Mostly I use Messenger to talk to 2 or 3 people who are on messenger.

Yeah, it's because advertisers are parasites; they exploit a medium, making it worse for consumers. Any trouble for them is a victory for us.
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