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Post by shawnee_ »

obstacle1 wrote: post #183
shawnee_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not anymore it isn't; this goes 100X for women. Women being paid less means they are forced to live in the crappier parts of towns: the squalor, the commute and the danger are significantly more. When that movie "the Social Network" came out is about when I noticed it changed. It became literally overrun with sleazy easy-money landlords, big corporate entities buying up the apartments, jacking the rents, etc. There a…

>this goes 100X for women. Using obviously ridiculous hyperbole like this is going to do the opposite of helping to solve your pet problem, FYI. Consider other strategies for advocacy.

What makes you think it's hyperbole? It's not hyperbole; it was my experience, as a female attempting to make a living while working in technology, living there.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

lisper wrote: post #143
davidw wrote: post #59

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> where will they go Other tech hubs. Portland, Seattle - even little Bend has plenty of people from California who are attracted by the (for them) low housing prices. They, in turn, put pressure on housing prices for 'ordinary' people here. California's housing crisis has repercussions all up and down the west coast.

> California's housing crisis has repercussions all up and down the west coast. You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that the situation in California has wider repercussions, it's that there is a wider problem whose symptoms happen to manifest themselves earliest in California because it's one of the nicer places to live: there are simply too many people and not enough space for them all to live in the nice p…

That could not be further from the truth. There are lots of cheap places to live in the US that are still very nice, you just don't want to live there.

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Post by [deleted] »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #155
5706906c06c wrote: post #49

38, two kids and a wife. Have been living in a 900SQ/FT apt, I don't know how much longer I can take this before rage quitting and relocating somewhere else (don't know where). The sad part, as a ethnic-minority, I have just found our community for my kids, etc. It would be really tragic if I have to tear my kids away from that. Don't get me wrong, my daily 30 minute commute on BART isn't the worst. The worst part is…

>The sad part, as a ethnic-minority, I have just found our community for my kids, etc. Can you expand on what this means? Have you faced a lot of racism in SF?

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Post by matchagaucho »

"although the East Bay eked out a gain of 500 tech jobs"

This is the good news. Home prices in the East Bay are 50%-70% of SF prices, and the infrastructure for employers is comparable to SF (public transit, internet, hospitals, restaurants, culture).

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Post by ng12 »

jostmey wrote: post #189
ng12 wrote: post #115

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What makes Seattle better? I've visited friends there a few times and I can't shake the feeling that it's only trailing the Bay by a few years in of affordability and transportation woes.

My opinion: - Seattle has more diverse industry. I toured the bio-science companies down at the harbor and was really impressed. Seattle is more than just "tech". - SF is way too restrictive with allowing new housing to be built. I did not perceive the problem to be as bad in Seattle. - In SF, a lot of the streets reeked of weed--It's like when someone cranks up their music too loud forcing everyone to listen to it.…

> In SF, a lot of the streets reeked of weed

What? Where did you live? I never once had that problem. It's not like the entirety of SF smells like weed 24/7, I think that's a pretty absurd strike to give a city (especially since it's legalized in WA).

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Post by harbie »

nimbius wrote: post #16

Most of the bay area employees are divided into 3 categories from anecdotal experience: young rockstars that are willing to live in relative squalor for a chance to prove themselves, vested and moneyed elites (CEO's, presidents, VC funded overlords) who are so out of touch with the average employee its best they not show up to the office that frequently, and H1B visa recipients that endure the soul-crushing San Jose…

I feel like 'living in squalor' is an exaggeration, or at least a separate category from what a lot of young engineers are doing in the Bay Area. Maybe if they were living in SF, sure, they could be living in dinghy studios.

I know plenty of new grads in the South Bay/Peninsula living in apartments or rented houses that would be considered decent or nice in the rest of the country with plenty of money to spare. Mostly at bigger, established companies though. Anecdotal, I know, but it definitely seems like there's a portion of new grads living comfortably in the bay area.

Living somewhere and owning property are very different though.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lisper wrote: post #143
davidw wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where will they go Other tech hubs. Portland, Seattle - even little Bend has plenty of people from California who are attracted by the (for them) low housing prices. They, in turn, put pressure on housing prices for 'ordinary' people here. California's housing crisis has repercussions all up and down the west coast.

> California's housing crisis has repercussions all up and down the west coast. You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that the situation in California has wider repercussions, it's that there is a wider problem whose symptoms happen to manifest themselves earliest in California because it's one of the nicer places to live: there are simply too many people and not enough space for them all to live in the nice p…

Plenty of space, too many NIMBYs.

Just heard a lady in my neighborhood in L.A. complaining about the development of a parking lot and crackhouse into a modern apartment building. Didn’t even bother to argue, sometimes the divide is too great.

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Post by glibgil »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #41
client4 wrote: post #14

Montana, a land of National parks, natural beauty, fast internet, and a low cost of living has a number of high tech jobs open. Full disclosure, I own an internet company here and want more tech savvy people in the area ;) Social Finanace (SoFi) | Helena, MT Oracle | Bozeman, MT OnXMaps | Missoula, MT Zaneray Group | Whitefish, MT Submittable | Missoula, MT Applied Materials | Kalispell, MT

>I own an internet company here and want more tech savvy people in the area ;) I hope you enjoy crowded national parks and a high cost of living. Be careful what you wish for. Denver used to be what you've described. Now it's just California's ski lodge.

Montana does not have a lot of people http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gL59uIJScr8/Ts1J_D6q1KI/AAAAAAAABE...

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Post by ojbyrne »

client4 wrote: post #138
enraged_camel wrote: post #124

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Counterpoint: it is a very conservative state, and one of their elected representatives choke-slammed a Guardian journalist who was trying to ask him questions, and he still got elected.

https://meanwhileinmontana.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/18... Counter-counterpoint: Visit Missoula when they are naked biking.

You realize that’s a world wide event, right?
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