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Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by venturis_voice »

maaaats wrote: post #35

> In main newsfeed are now just friend and sponsored posts. Haven't seen many posts by my friends this year, only people commenting or liking stuff on various pages. Not sure if it is because my friends (including me) have stopped posting, or if it just drowns in everything else.

I've found this too, seems the whole platform is just becoming a cavalcade of adverts, click bait and reaction videos. I don't post updates anymore and I only really use FB to follow local events in town i'm interested in.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by abtom »

maaaats wrote: post #35

> In main newsfeed are now just friend and sponsored posts. Haven't seen many posts by my friends this year, only people commenting or liking stuff on various pages. Not sure if it is because my friends (including me) have stopped posting, or if it just drowns in everything else.

Can confirm. In my friends list only activity is tagging on memes and posting life events. All personal sharing has moved to Instagram and "stories" on Facebook/WhatsApp/Messenger.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by j_s »

orwin wrote: post #33
ahussain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, why is the second item in my newsfeed always a "Sponsored Link"

I'm not using facebook (not since they had this anti-adblock stuff), but if it is always the second item for everyone, it should be quite easy to hide with a small greasemonkey script (that you don't even have to code yourself, someone probably already did).

If you're looking for a Facebook customization extension, check out http://www.fbpurity.com/

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by ungzd »

Looked at this "Explore feed" today. Only "viral videos", "funny animals" videos, listicles about casual topics. Recently I started to see the same content in Instagram Explore tab too. This is how their super-targeted AI trained on terabytes of behavioral data works? The same quality of targeting as on TV. Why they gather data on users at all?

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by Mikushi »

yosito wrote: post #17

This is wishful thinking, but maybe this move will push content creators back to providing RSS feeds so their audience can follow them without needing to use Facebook.

More than wishful thinking, and no offence, but it's simply disconnected with reality.

RSS is not dead, it was never alive to begin with.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by bobbinsbob »

bhouston wrote: post #41

Facebook pulling a bait and switch for newspapers that forces them to pay to reach an audience they used to reach for free (organic reach)? This has only happened repeatedly in the history of facebook. Facebook is like a game where the difficulty rises after you've had a taste of success. And by difficulty I mean you have to pay to reach your previous levels of success. Facebook did this for those first games (e.g. F…

>"Facebook is like a game where the difficulty rises after you've had a taste of success. And by difficulty I mean you have to pay to reach your previously levels of success"

Your analogy would sound better, and imo, reflect reality more if you swapped out 'game' for 'drug'.

That is to say, Facebook is like a drug (like heroin), the more you use it the more you have to pay to get the same level of high. Don't become dependent on the freebies because that's how the dealers get you hooked.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by aquova »

bad_user wrote: post #12

The best part about Twitter is the simple timeline. Twitter doesn’t care about what the account represents, so all accounts have the same priority. Yes, Twitter has started to mess with its timeline, but that’s besides the point. Facebook’s noise problem is one that they themselves created. Countless of times I found myself subscribed to some page only because I liked one of their posts. Which is bullshit, because in…

While I still vastly prefer Twitter over Facebook, I have to disagree with you; I think Twitter is beginning to go down the same road that Facebook did a few years ago.

Twitter (like Facebook) was set up with a core set of rules for the user to follow. You have 140 characters, your feed is a chronological list of the tweets of those you follow, likes are support for a tweet, but non-visible to your followers, while retweets are visible to your followers. There may be others, but to me these are the 'core' of the user experience.

At this point, Twitter has removed the functionality of almost all of these points. They're experimenting with longer tweets, the timeline is no longer chronological, and (in my opinion the worst change) they've changed the behavior of the like function. It no longer simply notifies the original user, but now has some random chance of also appearing in other timelines. They've muddled their basic system for reasons I can't quite understand. If anything, I'm choosing to like things less. In the past, I would've retweeted one tweet, but liked several similar posts to avoid oversaturation in my timeline. Now, I feel that I must use likes in the same way as retweets.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by adventured »

phrygian wrote: post #47

It is their platform, right? I’d assume they are within their rights to determine how Information flows within it. Obviously they’d want it to be in a way that positively impacts their bottom line. If the ability to reach people on their platform through pages is valuable, then i should not be surprised if they want those who use it to pay for it.

That's going to become increasingly the debate, as with Google.

You're starting to see more and more arguments in the media, in Washington DC, among anti-trust and anti-corporate power groups, that these platforms should be treated more like utilities. Given the culture at the moment, I'd expect those arguments to get a lot louder yet.

The platforms are responding predictably:

"Tech Pours Millions Into Lobbying While Pressure Mounts in Washington"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-20/tech-pour...

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by mtgx »

bad_user wrote: post #12

The best part about Twitter is the simple timeline. Twitter doesn’t care about what the account represents, so all accounts have the same priority. Yes, Twitter has started to mess with its timeline, but that’s besides the point. Facebook’s noise problem is one that they themselves created. Countless of times I found myself subscribed to some page only because I liked one of their posts. Which is bullshit, because in…

Twitter is all about pushing "top tweets" these days.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by TuringNYC »

tehwebguy wrote: post #42
bhouston wrote: post #41

Facebook pulling a bait and switch for newspapers that forces them to pay to reach an audience they used to reach for free (organic reach)? This has only happened repeatedly in the history of facebook. Facebook is like a game where the difficulty rises after you've had a taste of success. And by difficulty I mean you have to pay to reach your previous levels of success. Facebook did this for those first games (e.g. F…

I don’t know - how many posts is an individual meant to consume in a day? X friends + Y followed pages x Z average posts per day. What’s the baseline X for an average user, 100? 300? What about Y pages liked / followed, another hundred? Plus if like half the feed is “A friend liked this post: “ you have even more content to consume that you didn’t even sign up for directly.

>> X friends + Y followed pages x Z average posts per day.

Not sure how it works for you, but facebook feed dropped in quality about 9mo ago for me -- Without any change from my side, I usually only see "Close Friends" posts plus significant posts (high likes, live events) from all friends. I also see lots of repeats of posts I already saw earlier in the day or previous days.

At first I thought, perhaps my friends have blocked me, but no -- I can see their posts if I search for them. Then I thought, perhaps you have to be mutual "Close" but even that was a no -- because I actually verified with others.

All I can guess is i'm on the wrong side of some A/B test where you see the same old stuff and keep coming back hoping to see more. Except in my case, i've just stopped using it...not enough to look at on the "infinite" scroll.

So for me it is more like X friends (* 0.05) + Y followed pages x Z average posts per day. I wish i could reset it somehow back to 2015 functionality.

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