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Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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If you buy an EV, you should be happy with its range when you buy it. Like laptops and cellphones, that will degrade as all batteries do. But also like laptops and cellphones, when you replace that battery down the road, it is unlikely you'll get an upgrade. You'll get the same range. At least that was the case with my 2013 Leaf with its 85 mile range. I had it in mind that when it came for a new battery I'd get mayb…

GM is probably the best of the EV manufacturers for battery maintenance. Unlike Nissan, who just seems to be just giving the consumer the finger on this issue: GM's systems do active thermal management of the battery pack, and keep charge headroom to prevent the battery from fully charging or discharging.

There's people driving around on 2011/2012 Gen1 Volts with no battery degradation and very high milage.

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I thought I read, perhaps here, that Tesla over-provisions its batteries and uses software to optimize the battery "working set" to minimize perceptible range degradation.

Tesla actively cools its batteries and chose a long lasting battery chemistry. The Leaf, does not cool the battery, and the early Leaf model had a really bad chemistry.

Not sure why you got downvoted for this. Nissan and some other manufacturers seem to be cutting costs by not doing the active cooling/heating that GM and Tesla are doing, and consumers are suffering for it. I was very disappointed to see the new Leaf is still not thermally managed. Air cooled only. Probably fine for California, but in places that have deep winters and hot summers, it's a bad idea.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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>> $43,905

Wow. For that much money, I'll take a Chevy pickup. Twice the interior room, a bed for storage, 4WD for the winters... They show the Bolt with a kayak on the roof, but with a truck I can take 2 kayaks (or pull a boat), still put 3 other people and a dog, a cooler, everyone's camping gear for the weekend, fishing poles, everything I'd actually need to go on kayaking trip for the weekend.

Sure, I'll have to buy gasoline, but that's a measly $1,600 a year.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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>> $43,905 Wow. For that much money, I'll take a Chevy pickup. Twice the interior room, a bed for storage, 4WD for the winters... They show the Bolt with a kayak on the roof, but with a truck I can take 2 kayaks (or pull a boat), still put 3 other people and a dog, a cooler, everyone's camping gear for the weekend, fishing poles, everything I'd actually need to go on kayaking trip for the weekend. Sure, I'll have to…

Some people value reduced impact on our ailing environment over immediate convenience.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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it's just not possible to own one of these on much of the east coast. i would have probably bought this summer but seeing how abysmal the recharging story is made me shy away.

I don't get it, if you have charging at home, what's the issue? For those rare trips where you go over 300km, just rent a cheap ICE vehicle.

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A couple counterpoints, there's something like 11 million hybrids on the road today. I'm also somebody who would like to buy an all electric car for various reasons, but the cars just aren't there yet.

Sorry, I really meant to refer to plug-in hybrids, not mild hybrids: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ I totally understand that there are people who would buy a pure EV if it was cheaper, and that's not here yet.

I don't even think they have to be cheaper than current cars, they just need to get cheaper than they are, get much better range and much faster and more convenient recharge than today's electrics get.

The top of the line Model S gets around 315 miles to a charge (X's get a bit less), it was a world changer because it was an electric car that got about what a normal ICE car gets in range so there was little penalty there. Not many people need to directly drive from NYC to Toronto in a single stretch all that often.

bonus: the cars are stupid fast and have incredible amounts of storage so they're better than other cars on the market

negative: they're very expensive and recharge still takes lots of time or less time but with expensive home infrastructure (but still not gas refill time)

What makes them exciting is that for a couple of downsides (price and recharge time) you get a car that's at least as good than old fashioned ICE cars and better than them in most other areas. They represent the least compromised vision of electrics you can buy today.

The smaller electrics aren't getting near that yet...it will take a few years of battery improvements before that happens. I think lots of people want a Model 3 aspirationally hoping that it has some of the positive qualities of an S, but the reality is that they're much more compromised vehicles. Tesla's approach to dealing with this is to try to make the cars as incomparable to ICE's as possible with loads of electronic features like autoparking and autopilot and whatever and an interior that's not like anything else on the planet -- but they're the only electric car maker who really gets that. By making the Model 3 hard to compare to anything else, it makes it stand out.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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>> $43,905 Wow. For that much money, I'll take a Chevy pickup. Twice the interior room, a bed for storage, 4WD for the winters... They show the Bolt with a kayak on the roof, but with a truck I can take 2 kayaks (or pull a boat), still put 3 other people and a dog, a cooler, everyone's camping gear for the weekend, fishing poles, everything I'd actually need to go on kayaking trip for the weekend. Sure, I'll have to…

Some people value reduced impact on our ailing environment over immediate convenience.

That doesn't matter if you CAN'T buy it in the first place.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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The question I have to ask: Has anyone here gotten an EV and successfully gotten a charger setup going in an apartment garage? For where I live, I'd say we have 100-150 parking spaces, all underground. There are two spaces that have chargers, which are first-come-first-served, I don't count them. So, the idea would be to get my own charger. I already have a safe place to put it: There is a wide-but-not-deep storage u…

I realize it's a bit of an outlier but I have a friend who lives on a sailboat. She was recently told she could no longer use shore power to charge her Volt because the fire marshal thought the charging whip she paid to install from her breaker box was "an extension cord". Unfortunately the harbor master won't challenge that decision and her charging costs have gone up considerably because now she has to charge using gasoline. I can't even imagine what she'd do if she had a Bolt instead. Relying on access to power in an apartment complex or anywhere you aren't a homeowner just sounds like a potential issue.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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>> $43,905 Wow. For that much money, I'll take a Chevy pickup. Twice the interior room, a bed for storage, 4WD for the winters... They show the Bolt with a kayak on the roof, but with a truck I can take 2 kayaks (or pull a boat), still put 3 other people and a dog, a cooler, everyone's camping gear for the weekend, fishing poles, everything I'd actually need to go on kayaking trip for the weekend. Sure, I'll have to…

There's a $7500 federal tax credit for buying one. My state also gave me a $2500 rebate check.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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At $35k+ with 240 miles of range, it's starting to get close but realistically not quite there yet for "mass market" adoption. I hope I'm wrong but this will likely be a minor seller. Also re: the $7500 federal tax rebate, most people can't take full advantage because they don't owe that much and it doesn't carry over past the first year. Still a good program but not a magic wand solution.

> $7500 federal tax rebate, most people can't take full advantage because they don't owe that much I am pretty sure most of those who can afford to purchase a 35k+ car are making at least 40k / year and owe that much in federal taxes, unless I am not calculating something right

You're not calculating it right. 40,000 - 6300 for the standard deduction - 4050 for an exemption = ~29,000. First ~9000 is taxed at 10%, next ~20,000 for this person is taxed at 15%. Total income tax that could be reduced by the $7500 rebate for this person would be ~$4000 worst case.
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