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Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by andreasgonewild »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #130
andreasgonewild wrote: post #127

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Google not working for you? I picked this at random, you'll have to use your own brain if you want to know more: https://draxe.com/canola-oil-gm/ "Canola oil is a Canadian invention that’s backed by Canada’s government, cheap to manufacture, and many packaged or processed foods contain it. Canola oil was first created in the early 1970s as a natural oil, but in 1995, Monsanto created a genetically modified version of…

"Just Google it" is very much not acceptable as a source. So your primary source is a blog run by a "doctor of natural medicine" (or possibly a chiropractor), aka a fraud? It may very well be that a lot of canola is genetically modified, but what is your proof that this has any negative health effects at all ? Aside from baseless paranoia, of course. Here's some info for you: https://badscidebunked.wordpress.com/2015…

Go kill yourself (?) for someone else's (?) profit then, you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by turk184 »

mrob wrote: post #72
will_brown wrote: post #16

>Scientific evidence on fructose and the liver is relatively new People have been force feeding animals to fatten them up (gavage) for about 5,000 years, but specifically feeding them sugars/grains for the purpose of fattening their liver. Ever hear of the French delicacy Foie Gras(1)? It literally means fat liver, and after 5,000 years of perfecting fattening liver what do we force feed the animals? Corn! The same f…

High fructose corn syrup is made by processing regular corn syrup (mostly glucose) with enzymes to convert some of the glucose to fructose, making it sweeter. Corn is not naturally high in fructose.

Okay, but what I don't see is a real campaign against food producers padding out their products with crap! It's everywhere--not just corn syrup, although that's a huge one, but every place food can be padded out with what amounts to sawdust, they're doing it! Not a peep about it in the media.

Also, if everyone is so worried about the environment, how about some pushback against the ever-diminishing package sizes of literally everything? Landfills must be teeming with plastic and cardboard boxes because people aren't eating less now that inflation is being "hidden" by the 7.8 ounce pound! It's disgusting and nobody in times past would have been this gullible or put up with it! People used to run goons who put their finger on the scale right out of town.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by turk184 »

itchyouch wrote: post #101
swendoog wrote: post #96

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> Excess sugars are generally used up by kids who are growing. However, once people reach adulthood, the growth rate slows so significantly that the excess caloric intake forces all the lipids ingested to be stored. Huh? You mention that the SUGARS the kids are eating are used for growth. But then say it's the LIPIDS (dietary fats) that are stored in adults? What about the sugar...? I've always been skinny, and even…

Gaining weight or losing weight is all based on whether one is at a caloric surplus or deficit. Point was that kids generally have a “higher metabolism” because they are in a growth stage. (Hence using up the sugars) The adolescent body is generating tons of human growth hormone and testosterone to build muscle, bone, cartilage, etc and that activity is calorically intensive. When people get older, that activity subs…

If true, there are many people that I see at Wal Mart and Costco who are eating enough for about ten people.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

andreasgonewild wrote: post #131
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #130

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"Just Google it" is very much not acceptable as a source. So your primary source is a blog run by a "doctor of natural medicine" (or possibly a chiropractor), aka a fraud? It may very well be that a lot of canola is genetically modified, but what is your proof that this has any negative health effects at all ? Aside from baseless paranoia, of course. Here's some info for you: https://badscidebunked.wordpress.com/2015…

Go kill yourself (?) for someone else's (?) profit then, you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink.

You're not being very constructive. Please provide some reliable and trustworthy sources.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by apple4ever »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #129
birksherty wrote: post #113

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"because sugar is calorie-heavy". That's it? What about all the studies that shows high consumption of sugar leads to diabetes, heart disease, mental health etc.? Who knows what is true any more? May be big sugar companies are fighting back using fake studies and blogs to lessen the blame like they did with fat before. Edit: I forgot to mention 2 real examples: 1. My father is not fat. We don't eat any junk foods, ev…

And what about the studies that attribute those same maladies to fat, excessive protein intake from red meat, aluminum and countless other factors? I know people who are fit and well within normal weight, blood pressure, cholesterol and everything else, eat a very healthy diet and they still got diabetes. One of them lives almost exclusively on home-grown and home-cooked meals (they run a small farm), he's very into…

Those studies are starting to be shown as wrong.

I bet those people who eat "healthy" it a lot of carbs, which the body just changes into sugar. So they really aren't eating that healthy.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by brianwawok »

didibus wrote: post #106
brianwawok wrote: post #71

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A balanced diet is important. Fruit only covers certain parts. And yes it also has a bit much sugar. Replace 80% of your fruit with veggies and you will be better off.

I agree, but most people should start by replacing most of their food with fruits. All their carbs and sugars should come from fruits first, and once they master that, they can try replacing some of it with veggies.

Not sure this is a good way to diet, do you have any peer reviewed literature that says a diet of mostly fruit is a good way to lose weight?

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by erikb »

wutbrodo wrote: post #47
erikb wrote: post #6

It is really, really surprising that this is discovered so lately. We should be knowing this for 30 or so years. I have a strong guess that this article is overpresenting how new this is. Otherwise something really weird is going on.

> It is really, really surprising that this is discovered so lately. We should be knowing this for 30 or so years. I have a strong guess that this article is overpresenting how new this is. Otherwise something really weird is going on. 1) You're right, it's not that new. I'm pretty sure I've read it at least once before on _HN_ itself. 2) Nutritional science is a mess not because something weird is going on but becau…

Okay, thinking about your arguments I have to agree. This is not about nutritional advise but about nutritional science. In the pure science department having a good enough result to statistically trust it is rare and may happen even two or three generations until it is common believe already. It is actually good that they ignore common believe in favor of reliable data. Someone must.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by QAPereo »

nate_meurer wrote: post #94
QAPereo wrote: post #67

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My problem seems to be that there is some significant overlap between the groups, “people who use HN” and “people who are the target audience for self help books.” Worse, are people who can’t cite and instead throw articles into the mix, while being condescending and pseudo-psychic. Just bury me in good citations and we can both be happy.

On the other hand, it might just be that this particular topic is unusually divisive. The science of gluten sensitivity is young, its study fraught with placebos and confounding variables, and adherents of the anti-gluten movement are often nearly religious in fervor. Asking for citations might just be asking for trouble.

True, but there are few better demonstrations of the weakness of an argument than asking for someone to prove it, instead to be met with anger and verbiage.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by pas »

canttestthis wrote: post #90
mrob wrote: post #72

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High fructose corn syrup is made by processing regular corn syrup (mostly glucose) with enzymes to convert some of the glucose to fructose, making it sweeter. Corn is not naturally high in fructose.

Is there a term for scientific claims made in this way? I saw something similar on reddit the other day where a commenter was trying to prove that a certain chemical was not harmful. It went something like "The reason we think this chemical is harmful is because of this study from the 60s which was done in 17 countries. But one country was excluded from the study because of inconclusive results. Which one? The US! Th…

It's basically a narrative, "an explanation", not science. In particular this is an easy to vary explanation. (Just cherry pick other data to fit your narrative.)

https://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_a_new_way_to_explain...

Science is looking at a problem. Stating it. Analysing it. (Setting up hypotheses, gathering data, coming up with clever ways to test those hypotheses, desigining experiments, conducting them, evaluating their results, and then iterating on this. While being vigilant at every step. Trying to falsify every step. If you can't falsify it, great, you have a useful model.)

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