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Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by alex_hitchins »

birksherty wrote: post #113
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr. Lustig's argumentation is questionable at best. http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-ab... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/is-sugar-rea... Eat less sugar? Sure! But don't do it because of Dr. Lustig's exaggerations and paranoia. Do it because sugar is calorie-heavy with no real benefit.

"because sugar is calorie-heavy". That's it? What about all the studies that shows high consumption of sugar leads to diabetes, heart disease, mental health etc.? Who knows what is true any more? May be big sugar companies are fighting back using fake studies and blogs to lessen the blame like they did with fat before. Edit: I forgot to mention 2 real examples: 1. My father is not fat. We don't eat any junk foods, ev…

Just because your fathers main meals are home cooked doesn't necessarily mean they are healthy.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by alex_hitchins »

s4vi0r wrote: post #117
misja111 wrote: post #105

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Plus, when you eat sugar your body produces insulin, which instructs your body to stop burning fat and store it straight into your fat cells.

That's not true at all... What would possibly make you think that?

I can't point to anything specific, however I was under this impression from listening to a few Keto diet enthusiasts.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by mdemare »

Gupie wrote: post #102
teach wrote: post #61

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Everything except red meat and dairy, honestly. But if you want to know what we believe to be true about which foods are healthy, there's probably no better starting point than Harvard's Healthy Eating Plate. - https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-...

What do you mean by "unbound fructose"? I assume fruit juices etc? Harvard's Healthy Eating Plate says "eat plenty of fruits", which says contrary to the advice given by many commenters here.

It's very hard to ingest too much fructose by eating oranges. Drinking orange juice on the other hand...

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by nnq »

s4vi0r wrote: post #117
misja111 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, when you eat sugar your body produces insulin, which instructs your body to stop burning fat and store it straight into your fat cells.

That's not true at all... What would possibly make you think that?

First search shows: http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/panc...

> Insulin promotes synthesis of fatty acids in the liver

> Insulin inhibits breakdown of fat in adipose tissue

...but don't take that to mean "insulin is what gets you fat". It does not... or not as in it being a bad thing. It's more like "insulin just tells your body to process away that damn extra sugar"... and your body does whatever it can with it, like converting it into stored fat. It would be much worse if it didn't! You'd have diabetes then, and that sugar standing unprocessed in you blood would do tons of damage to your body! Making you a bit fatter is kind of the best thing your body can do with the extra sugar that got dumped into your blood...

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by nnq »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #107
nnq wrote: post #100

This is know scientifically for ~10 years now (in a sense that there are some studies, and the biochemistry of mechanisms is know, but the statistical power of the studies might be low... can''t remember, left the biomedical field years ago), and anecdotally since like for ever (google "making fois gras"). Also, for cats and dogs, other sugar (xylitol if I member well) can destroy their livers pretty fast. Fortunatel…

Dr. Lustig's argumentation is questionable at best. http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-ab... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/is-sugar-rea... Eat less sugar? Sure! But don't do it because of Dr. Lustig's exaggerations and paranoia. Do it because sugar is calorie-heavy with no real benefit.

> calorie-heavy with no real benefit

Wtf does that even mean?! You mainly eat to get your calories... the calories are your main intended benefit, that's mainly why you eat, to get your fuel to burn. It's like the stupid phrase "empty calories". Also, the calories that you need to burn, will inevitably deal damage to your body in the process of being burn (free radicals -> aging, cancer etc.) and that's unavoidable.

But you can try to find the least damaging combination of source of calories (like at least don't mix high-fat with high-sugar in the same meal), and yeah, also so get your vitamins micronutrients, fibers etc. that you also need besides those calories.

And I agree with you too :) ...Lustig's paranoia is way over the top, especially when he gets to comparing fructose with alcohol (we're not cats and dogs - 'carnivores', we're 'rotten-and-occasionally-toxic-fruit eating monkeys', we can take our liquor and drugs as long as we don't overdo it :P), or calling it "toxic" or "poison".

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by sbenitoj »

curun1r wrote: post #98
equippan wrote: post #29

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What is wrong with whole grains or fruit? I have never heard of that before.

The quibble could also be with the "low-fat" portion of the advice. Grouping all fats into a single category is about as useful as grouping fruits and vegetables together. There's nuance to which fats to eat, but they're mostly an important part of a healthy diet, despite being demonized for decades now. Low-fat and non-fat dairy products are little better than another source of sugar (lactose) since much of the heal…

Agreed! Also lard, tallow, and grass-fed butter. Nature doesn’t make bad fats, factories do.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by andreasgonewild »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #114
andreasgonewild wrote: post #54

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Yes, and rape seed oil has the about the same combination of fatty acids as olive oil; which is healthy; but it's still poisonous gmo crap. Same goes for HFCS. The amount of genetic manipulation, processing and refining matters.

[Citations needed] Very much so, in fact. Otherwise your post is simply unfounded paranoia. Specifically, prove your assertion that rapeseed oil is "poisonous GMO crap".

Google not working for you? I picked this at random, you'll have to use your own brain if you want to know more:

https://draxe.com/canola-oil-gm/

"Canola oil is a Canadian invention that’s backed by Canada’s government, cheap to manufacture, and many packaged or processed foods contain it. Canola oil was first created in the early 1970s as a natural oil, but in 1995, Monsanto created a genetically modified version of canola oil. As of 2005, 87 percent of canola grown in the U.S. was genetically modified, and by 2009, 90 percent of the Canadian crop was genetically engineered."

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

nnq wrote: post #125
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr. Lustig's argumentation is questionable at best. http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-ab... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/is-sugar-rea... Eat less sugar? Sure! But don't do it because of Dr. Lustig's exaggerations and paranoia. Do it because sugar is calorie-heavy with no real benefit.

> calorie-heavy with no real benefit Wtf does that even mean?! You mainly eat to get your calories... the calories are your main intended benefit, that's mainly why you eat, to get your fuel to burn. It's like the stupid phrase "empty calories". Also, the calories that you need to burn, will inevitably deal damage to your body in the process of being burn (free radicals -> aging, cancer etc.) and that's unavoidable.…

When I say "calorie-heavy with no real benefit", I mean that you get glucose and fructose and that's it. No vitamins, no minerals, no fiber, just pure straight carbs. In other words just calories that your body can use or store, and unless you've been doing strenuous activity within a short time frame, those calories will be stored as fat.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

birksherty wrote: post #113
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr. Lustig's argumentation is questionable at best. http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-ab... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/is-sugar-rea... Eat less sugar? Sure! But don't do it because of Dr. Lustig's exaggerations and paranoia. Do it because sugar is calorie-heavy with no real benefit.

"because sugar is calorie-heavy". That's it? What about all the studies that shows high consumption of sugar leads to diabetes, heart disease, mental health etc.? Who knows what is true any more? May be big sugar companies are fighting back using fake studies and blogs to lessen the blame like they did with fat before. Edit: I forgot to mention 2 real examples: 1. My father is not fat. We don't eat any junk foods, ev…

And what about the studies that attribute those same maladies to fat, excessive protein intake from red meat, aluminum and countless other factors?

I know people who are fit and well within normal weight, blood pressure, cholesterol and everything else, eat a very healthy diet and they still got diabetes.

One of them lives almost exclusively on home-grown and home-cooked meals (they run a small farm), he's very into working out and is one of the most fit people I know. Yet he has type-2 diabetes.

You're absolutely right that we should all eat less sugar, but there's no great mystery to it.

Re: Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

andreasgonewild wrote: post #127
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Citations needed] Very much so, in fact. Otherwise your post is simply unfounded paranoia. Specifically, prove your assertion that rapeseed oil is "poisonous GMO crap".

Google not working for you? I picked this at random, you'll have to use your own brain if you want to know more: https://draxe.com/canola-oil-gm/ "Canola oil is a Canadian invention that’s backed by Canada’s government, cheap to manufacture, and many packaged or processed foods contain it. Canola oil was first created in the early 1970s as a natural oil, but in 1995, Monsanto created a genetically modified version of…

"Just Google it" is very much not acceptable as a source.

So your primary source is a blog run by a "doctor of natural medicine" (or possibly a chiropractor), aka a fraud?

It may very well be that a lot of canola is genetically modified, but what is your proof that this has any negative health effects at all? Aside from baseless paranoia, of course.

Here's some info for you:

https://badscidebunked.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/axe-idental-...

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Joshua_Lee_Axe

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