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A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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We just need to establish a legal precept that if the body cam footage isn't there to corroborate the cops' story, we assume the worst and they get held accountable for anything a plaintiff is able to plausibly allege. Under that scenario, most cops would become the biggest advocates for e.g., redundancies, backups and transparency.

This seems to abolish the right to be "innocent until proven guilty". It's always possible to allege a crime that no one can prove didn't happen ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot ), so without a presumption of innocence, the system essentially puts the accused at the mercy of the accuser.

Then it sounds like there is a strong incentive to keep that camera on!

When cops' word weighs more than yours in a court of law, this requires an equivalent check against that power by only making it weigh that much when there is corroborating evidence (i.e., video proof).

Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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I can't really believe there's a straight up choice between non-corrupt police and bankrupt police departments. It is true that US police seem to funded in ways that create incentives to corruption. An ideological commitment to low taxes means institutions like the police need to find other sources of revenue. This leads to a proliferation of regulations and drug and driving laws that can be used to impose fines, sys…

The US is not a monolithic entity, and various states handle civil asset forfeiture differently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United... Many places in the US don't have these problems, so there is nothing to solve.

Ok so hunger isn't a problem because people in Europe are generally well-fed? This follows the same line of reasoning as the one you are using now.

Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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The US is not a monolithic entity, and various states handle civil asset forfeiture differently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United... Many places in the US don't have these problems, so there is nothing to solve.

Ok so hunger isn't a problem because people in Europe are generally well-fed? This follows the same line of reasoning as the one you are using now.

My point was that localities differ greatly across the US (and Europe for that matter), and should be taken care of at a local level rather than from the centralized location of DC. I don't want to live in a police state, so I choose to live in a small town that doesn't have the issues that our big cities have.
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