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A newly discovered moon tunnel

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Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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If the moon had ancient volcanic activity and thus, why is it, after observable impact from various bodies - shown in the craters all over the surface, and the sumizing of the fact that water was deposited to earth from extra-orbital impacts... does the moon have zero water or atmosphere? Where did water originate? (I didn't know how to format that question any better, so please forgive the fumbly format)

The moon's core isn't made of the swirling molten iron dynamo like Earth's is. No swirling molten iron, no magnetic field. No magnetic field, nothing deflects the solar wind that then, literally, blows away any fledgling atmosphere. It's believed that Mars' atmosphere was considerably more dense than it is today, but along the way, its core cooled, and it lost its protective magnetic shield, allowing the solar wind t…

Even with a magnetic field, would the moon's gravity be sufficient to retain an atmosphere?

Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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I've read that it's the same case with Venus' core, but its atmosphere is far more dense than either Earth's or Mars'.

Venus has an induced magnetic field that may protect its atmosphere. https://www.astrobio.net/also-in-news/a-magnetic-surprise-fr...

Apparently so does Mars though? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103509...

Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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The moon's core isn't made of the swirling molten iron dynamo like Earth's is. No swirling molten iron, no magnetic field. No magnetic field, nothing deflects the solar wind that then, literally, blows away any fledgling atmosphere. It's believed that Mars' atmosphere was considerably more dense than it is today, but along the way, its core cooled, and it lost its protective magnetic shield, allowing the solar wind t…

Even with a magnetic field, would the moon's gravity be sufficient to retain an atmosphere?

No, for that matter Mars doesn't have the gravity to retain an atmosphere either. I can't cite a source on this because I don't remember where I read it but I believe having a magnetic field surrounding a celestial body is a relatively minor factor in atmosphere retention compared to mass. If someone who specializes in planetary atmosphere retention knows better feel free to eviscerate me.

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post #141

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Even with a magnetic field, would the moon's gravity be sufficient to retain an atmosphere?

No, for that matter Mars doesn't have the gravity to retain an atmosphere either. I can't cite a source on this because I don't remember where I read it but I believe having a magnetic field surrounding a celestial body is a relatively minor factor in atmosphere retention compared to mass. If someone who specializes in planetary atmosphere retention knows better feel free to eviscerate me.

>feel free to eviscerate me

Off topic but I’d like it quite a lot if people could be informative without being eviscerating lol. I suppose this doesn’t usually happen, but it should happen more. That’d be so much better, so much more tolerable and happier. It’d be good for all of us probably lol.

Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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Treaties on Earth have very little meaning. They have zero meaning on the Moon.

On the contrary... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas Look at that line, and note which non-European countries speak Spanish and which ones speak Portuguese. For instance, Brazil wound up being Portuguese (a rarity in South America) because it stuck over the line into Portuguese turf.

The point is that since treaties are regularly ignored on Earth, they are mere artifices and have no meaning on the Moon.

Do you really dispute that?

Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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You're not accounting for tidal forces. The same forces that create the tides on Earth also affect the moon. In this case via moon-quakes. https://phys.org/news/2017-08-moon-tidal-stress-responsible-...

But the moon is one-face, so tidal stress should be constant.

What about the sun's? If the force is strong enough to make earth orbit, and moon-to-sun distance oscillates, plus seasonal behaviour, there must be quite some straining tides...

Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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No, for that matter Mars doesn't have the gravity to retain an atmosphere either. I can't cite a source on this because I don't remember where I read it but I believe having a magnetic field surrounding a celestial body is a relatively minor factor in atmosphere retention compared to mass. If someone who specializes in planetary atmosphere retention knows better feel free to eviscerate me.

>feel free to eviscerate me Off topic but I’d like it quite a lot if people could be informative without being eviscerating lol. I suppose this doesn’t usually happen, but it should happen more. That’d be so much better, so much more tolerable and happier. It’d be good for all of us probably lol.

I think eviscerating comes when people present false statements as facts. Qualifying it with uncertainty as the OP did probably won't anger anybody. But telling lies because you don't know what you're talking about justifiably does.

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"Who Owns the Moon? | Space Law & Outer Space Treaties" - https://www.space.com/33440-space-law.html

We'll see how much those words on papers mean when real value is to be had up there.

About the same as human rights in similar cicumstances I would imagine

Re: A newly discovered moon tunnel

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post #145

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On the contrary... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas Look at that line, and note which non-European countries speak Spanish and which ones speak Portuguese. For instance, Brazil wound up being Portuguese (a rarity in South America) because it stuck over the line into Portuguese turf.

The point is that since treaties are regularly ignored on Earth, they are mere artifices and have no meaning on the Moon. Do you really dispute that?

Treatis aren’t ignored without cost, they are artifices in the same sense that the obligation to treat you and what you say decently is an artifice.
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