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Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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I wonder if it makes more sense to lease vs. buy now (since self driving, electric, etc. technology is progressing quickly) -- it seems like lease discount/money factor isn't going down as quickly as it should with these cars. (I've never bought a new car, and never leased as a car, but probably will get a new EV as my next -- an S, 3, or Bolt.) Owning is great if you keep the car for 8-12 years like I've done, but I…

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Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Hours per week charging is better than hours per day, but still only practical for people who can run heavy wiring to a private garage. I keep wishing gas station battery swaps were happening.

I've seen people charging bolts and plug in hybrids on my street with the wire run across the sidewalk (ie. from their home to the car parked on the street out front). Its a low-traffic residential area (East Bay) and I think this should be legal as it allows many people who have homes but no driveways to own and charge EVs. Maybe there should be a special rubber wire cover to protect the cord and so people don't tri…

> Maybe there should be a special rubber wire cover to protect the cord and so people don't trip.

https://www.amazon.com/Wiremold-Ivory-Corduct-Floor-Protecto...

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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I wonder if it makes more sense to lease vs. buy now (since self driving, electric, etc. technology is progressing quickly) -- it seems like lease discount/money factor isn't going down as quickly as it should with these cars. (I've never bought a new car, and never leased as a car, but probably will get a new EV as my next -- an S, 3, or Bolt.) Owning is great if you keep the car for 8-12 years like I've done, but I…

FYI leases on these just went from like $300+ / mo with a substantial down payment to sub $150 / mo with effective 0 down in California with incentives.

I don't think WA has anything that good, but for a Californian this is a no-brainer, especially with HOV lane access until at least 1 JAN 2019.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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This is my issue also, although I suppose I represent a small fraction of the market -- I live in an urban apartment building with street parking, I won't be able to charge an EV at home until the infrastructure gets much, much better. This means I'd have to factor charging into all my trips, which messes up the user experience pretty badly.

Almost all of the US has parking minimums for apartment complexes. My apartment complex installed a charger after I pointed out how many existing residents had EVs.

That helps with the marketplace in general, of course, but it doesn't do me any good, my building was built in the 1920s. No garage at all.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Case in point. I thought I read bolts (volts?) sometimes put themselves into reverse and accelerate while off+charging. I wanted to paste a link, but found this article instead. It looks like this safety issue is by design. (Also, CR says the handling is “choppy” on uneven pavement, which matches my old lemon): http://www.chevybolt.org/forum/#/topics/7778?page=1 “On this rainy morning while turning to park in a stall…

your case in point is that someone who wanted to park decided not to use his brakes? is removing your foot from the accelerator instead of using the brake a standard learned behavior amongst bolt/volt owners?

Yes. Same with Tesla's default settings, and with any Toyota hybrid.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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He knows his targets are ripe for takeover. The car industry is stuck in the past.

can't take over the car industry when you can barely deliver 14% of what you promised: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/jpmorgan-slashes-its-tesla-m...

A delay of a few months is nothing to freak out about - similars delays happened with the Bolt, and that’s from an established car maker...

[1] https://jalopnik.com/chevy-bolt-ordering-delayed-by-three-mo...

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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The question I have to ask: Has anyone here gotten an EV and successfully gotten a charger setup going in an apartment garage? For where I live, I'd say we have 100-150 parking spaces, all underground. There are two spaces that have chargers, which are first-come-first-served, I don't count them. So, the idea would be to get my own charger. I already have a safe place to put it: There is a wide-but-not-deep storage u…

Yes, I live in Palo Alto (near you) and I convinced my apartment complex to install an EV charger: 2 chargers, and conduit for 4 more.

I'm mystified why you aren't counting the 2 chargers that your apartment complex does provide. For all I know we live at the same place. I'm happy, you're unhappy. Given the large battery in a Bolt, do you really need to charge every day?!

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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your case in point is that someone who wanted to park decided not to use his brakes? is removing your foot from the accelerator instead of using the brake a standard learned behavior amongst bolt/volt owners?

Yes, because that’s how regenerative braking works. This was discussed at length in the linked article.

That sounds dangerous. By comparison the Prius uses regenerative braking when you hit the brake, but if that isn't enough it will switch to normal (friction) braking.

Having something that switches from braking to no brake without warning seems like ... terrible design.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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What I never really thought is that that‘s still a pretty dumb was to subsidize any kind of purchase. It massivly advantages the rich(er). Why do it that way?

The US has a highly regressive tax system, at least for middle class earners and up. We do everything that way.

No it doesn't. The fact that a 7k deduction doesn't help middle class people proves we don't have a regressive system.

The US middle class is relatively lightly taxed.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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You don't even have to itemize (it isn't a deduction), so I think most people would be able to take full advantage of it. I would bet anyone who is in the market for a $35k+ car (or even 28.5k+) is going to be at a point where they can take full advantage of the rebate.

It's a credit yes, but it's not a refundable credit. Which means you need to owe at least that amount of tax. So for 2016 that means a single person has to earn at least $46,900 to get the full benefit (assuming no other non-refundable credits). The median US personal income for 2016 was about $31,100, so I think it's fair to say the majority of Americans can not take full advantage, although I agree with your last s…

I’m guessing the logic was that someone making less than $50k wouldn’t be buying a $30k vehicle...
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