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Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by rdtsc »

6841iam wrote: post #3

While her post did send shockwaves inside Uber and the Silicon Valley at large, I think, it was Mr. Kalanick's incriminating involvement in the Waymo - Uber lawsuit that ultimately sunk Mr. Kalanick. He simply had to go.

That is kind of how I remember it happening. After the revelations in the blog, there was a lot of talk and discussion here and other sites. Some people were fired then.

But only after Waymo became involved, there were rumors of the board moving to push him out.

It would have been nice if her allegations brought him down, but sadly it doesn't seem that way. In other words until investors saw their money potentially going down the drain in a lawsuit with Google, they kind of looked the other way.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by fjsolwmv »

spamizbad wrote: post #15
adamnemecek wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are overssimplifying the situation. Iraq and NK are/were both dictatorships but the similarity ends there. Cultural differences go very far.

No, you're over-simplifying this by assuming we can resolve a humanitarian issue with a war. We can't. Even conservatives like Steve Bannon know this. The Iraq War plus its aftermath has a death toll approaching 1 million, 1/6th the size of the Holocaust. Conflict with North Korea will be even worse.

You are catastrophically underestimating the size of the Holocaust. 6 million is only the Jews murdered by Nazi operations. Another 5+ million non Jews were murdered, plus, since we're comparing follow-on effects of war, many more millions of military fighters and civilians bombed.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by atomical »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #18
atomical wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stalin and Mao supplied Kim Il Sung in the Korean War because they didn't want democracy to spread to Asia. China and Russia are still obstructing the US with the same goal of preventing democracy. If we don't do it no one will. The Kims have proven their ability to retain power. Some people think death is better than having to live in North Korea: http://www.worldtribune.com/senior-north-korea-official-and-...

Russia and China govert have no problem with foreign "democracy", just like USA has no problem with communism, per se. They are all just opposed to small nation's allying with their enemies. The history of USA and Latin America makes this clear.

After Stalin died his letters were released and he was denounced. His letters confirm that China and Russia did have a problem with democracy and that it was the impetus for their support of Kim Il Sung during the Korean War.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by wvenable »

atomical wrote: post #11
farnsworth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not at all confident in the ability of the US to "clean up this mess". Similar arguments were made before the war in Iraq. I won't defend Saddam but I don't think you can argue that the average Iraqi ended up better off.

Stalin and Mao supplied Kim Il Sung in the Korean War because they didn't want democracy to spread to Asia. China and Russia are still obstructing the US with the same goal of preventing democracy. If we don't do it no one will. The Kims have proven their ability to retain power. Some people think death is better than having to live in North Korea: http://www.worldtribune.com/senior-north-korea-official-and-...

At this point it has nothing to do with "preventing democracy" (if it ever did). All countries want to prevent the massive refugee crisis that would exist if North Korea suddenly falls. I think something should be done but I don't think anyone currently has a good answer to that situation.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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baron816 wrote: post #16

> “Did you read that interview with the C.E.O., Travis, where he talked about how Uber helps him get girls? He’s a misogynist. I could never use his product.” I know nothing of the interview he’s referring to here, but how is it misogynistic to use your company to get girls? Was he picking up Uber employees or potential hires?

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Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by fjsolwmv »

What ar we creating celebrities out of people who blogged about their experiences?

She made a courageous public statement. Should she get to move forwards in her chosen technical career with this shadow behind her, or must she be turned into a social crusader?

That weirdly distorts incentives of behavior.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by adamnemecek »

spamizbad wrote: post #15
adamnemecek wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are overssimplifying the situation. Iraq and NK are/were both dictatorships but the similarity ends there. Cultural differences go very far.

No, you're over-simplifying this by assuming we can resolve a humanitarian issue with a war. We can't. Even conservatives like Steve Bannon know this. The Iraq War plus its aftermath has a death toll approaching 1 million, 1/6th the size of the Holocaust. Conflict with North Korea will be even worse.

Iraq war Was fundamentally different. NK is extremely hierarchical, once the leadership is removed, the country can be reconstructed much easier. I can't say I care about Seth Bannons opinion.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by atomical »

wvenable wrote: post #24
atomical wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stalin and Mao supplied Kim Il Sung in the Korean War because they didn't want democracy to spread to Asia. China and Russia are still obstructing the US with the same goal of preventing democracy. If we don't do it no one will. The Kims have proven their ability to retain power. Some people think death is better than having to live in North Korea: http://www.worldtribune.com/senior-north-korea-official-and-...

At this point it has nothing to do with "preventing democracy" (if it ever did). All countries want to prevent the massive refugee crisis that would exist if North Korea suddenly falls. I think something should be done but I don't think anyone currently has a good answer to that situation.

You are acting as though it's questionable whether Stalin and Mao got involved in the Korean War to prevent the spread of democracy. Check out the book The Great Leader and the Fighter Pilot. It covers the history of the Korean War and Stalin and Mao's actions. Also, a really great story about the famous fighter pilot No Kum-sok.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by spamizbad »

atomical wrote: post #20
spamizbad wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're over-simplifying this by assuming we can resolve a humanitarian issue with a war. We can't. Even conservatives like Steve Bannon know this. The Iraq War plus its aftermath has a death toll approaching 1 million, 1/6th the size of the Holocaust. Conflict with North Korea will be even worse.

You're responding to the wrong commenter. No one knows how many people die in North Korean concentration camps every year. But you can be sure that the total number of deaths will increase every year that the Kims are in power. There is no solution but war.

> No one knows how many people die in North Korean concentration camps every year

It's less than 70,000 each year, which is how many have died due to the Iraq war. If North Korea deserves war, what does the United States deserve?

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by trentmb »

dasil003 wrote: post #14
jsemrau wrote: post #2

I think the notion of the article is wrong. She did not bring down Travis. The misogynist culture he helped to create did.

Are you kidding me? She took career-risking action to bring a problem to light, and you just want to point to an abstract non-entity as having responsibility for an outcome? Give credit where credit is due FFS, sheesh.

> abstract non-entity as having responsibility for an outcome?

The patriarchy is routinely responsible for despicable outcomes.

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