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Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by atomical »

farnsworth wrote: post #6
atomical wrote: post #4

> “I think, right now especially, with Trump in the White House, who knows what’s going on with North Korea?" Why are people so worried about going to war with North Korea? There are concentration camps in North Korea. Are South Korean and American lives worth more than the lives of those in concentration camps? The USA tried to create a free Korea during the Korean War and failed because of China and Russia. We need…

I'm not at all confident in the ability of the US to "clean up this mess". Similar arguments were made before the war in Iraq. I won't defend Saddam but I don't think you can argue that the average Iraqi ended up better off.

Stalin and Mao supplied Kim Il Sung in the Korean War because they didn't want democracy to spread to Asia. China and Russia are still obstructing the US with the same goal of preventing democracy. If we don't do it no one will. The Kims have proven their ability to retain power.

Some people think death is better than having to live in North Korea:

http://www.worldtribune.com/senior-north-korea-official-and-...

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by jrs95 »

jsemrau wrote: post #2

I think the notion of the article is wrong. She did not bring down Travis. The misogynist culture he helped to create did.

I don't even know if it was that, honestly. I think the whole Waymo thing had more to do with it, or it would have happened sooner.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by dasil003 »

jsemrau wrote: post #2

I think the notion of the article is wrong. She did not bring down Travis. The misogynist culture he helped to create did.

Are you kidding me? She took career-risking action to bring a problem to light, and you just want to point to an abstract non-entity as having responsibility for an outcome? Give credit where credit is due FFS, sheesh.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by spamizbad »

adamnemecek wrote: post #8
farnsworth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not at all confident in the ability of the US to "clean up this mess". Similar arguments were made before the war in Iraq. I won't defend Saddam but I don't think you can argue that the average Iraqi ended up better off.

You are overssimplifying the situation. Iraq and NK are/were both dictatorships but the similarity ends there. Cultural differences go very far.

No, you're over-simplifying this by assuming we can resolve a humanitarian issue with a war. We can't. Even conservatives like Steve Bannon know this. The Iraq War plus its aftermath has a death toll approaching 1 million, 1/6th the size of the Holocaust.

Conflict with North Korea will be even worse.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by baron816 »

> “Did you read that interview with the C.E.O., Travis, where he talked about how Uber helps him get girls? He’s a misogynist. I could never use his product.”

I know nothing of the interview he’s referring to here, but how is it misogynistic to use your company to get girls? Was he picking up Uber employees or potential hires?

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by fjsolwmv »

atomical wrote: post #11
farnsworth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not at all confident in the ability of the US to "clean up this mess". Similar arguments were made before the war in Iraq. I won't defend Saddam but I don't think you can argue that the average Iraqi ended up better off.

Stalin and Mao supplied Kim Il Sung in the Korean War because they didn't want democracy to spread to Asia. China and Russia are still obstructing the US with the same goal of preventing democracy. If we don't do it no one will. The Kims have proven their ability to retain power. Some people think death is better than having to live in North Korea: http://www.worldtribune.com/senior-north-korea-official-and-...

Russia and China govert have no problem with foreign "democracy", just like USA has no problem with communism, per se. They are all just opposed to small nation's allying with their enemies.

The history of USA and Latin America makes this clear.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by mhluongo »

baron816 wrote: post #16

> “Did you read that interview with the C.E.O., Travis, where he talked about how Uber helps him get girls? He’s a misogynist. I could never use his product.” I know nothing of the interview he’s referring to here, but how is it misogynistic to use your company to get girls? Was he picking up Uber employees or potential hires?

He called it Boober IIRC.

Re: Interview with Susan Fowler

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Post by atomical »

spamizbad wrote: post #15
adamnemecek wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are overssimplifying the situation. Iraq and NK are/were both dictatorships but the similarity ends there. Cultural differences go very far.

No, you're over-simplifying this by assuming we can resolve a humanitarian issue with a war. We can't. Even conservatives like Steve Bannon know this. The Iraq War plus its aftermath has a death toll approaching 1 million, 1/6th the size of the Holocaust. Conflict with North Korea will be even worse.

You're responding to the wrong commenter.

No one knows how many people die in North Korean concentration camps every year. But you can be sure that the total number of deaths will increase every year that the Kims are in power. There is no solution but war.

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