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Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by dfabulich »

throwa34943way wrote: post #55
dfabulich wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. This apology doesn't even say what he did wrong. (He "damaged trust," "caused pain," "behaved in ways that were inappropriate.") He didn't admit that he sexually harassed anyone, say nothing of sexual assault. Without a clear admission of what he did, I have no idea if he knows why it wa…

> A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. He might have apologized directly to his alleged victims we don't know that. I don't think he should admit anything to anyone else, but to his alleged victims on a personal level. If I read this forum, it sounds like nobody has never done anything wrong, behaved inappropriately in anyw…

Why post a bad public apology at all? Regardless of whether he gave a good private apologies to his victims (he surely didn't), there's nothing to be gained from a public apology in which you don't admit to any particular wrongdoing.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by tbcj »

dragonwriter wrote: post #78
justboxing wrote: post #18

Can't seem to find any details on the extent of his mis-behaviour. Wikipedia page says "sexually assaulted", and that "Sarah Seitz, a sustainability analyst at NASA, replied accusing Scoble of also having assaulted her" Isn't sexual assault a serious crime? Why didn't these women report it to the Police. Or does touching without consent or grabbing someone or trying to grope someone (like our current President is all…

> Isn't sexual assault a serious crime? In theory, yes; in practice police, prosecutors, and judges all too often don't treat it (or even actual rape) seriously. With regard to judges, the Stanford rape case is the banner example recently; but earlier in the chain the fact thatany departments collect but then do not process rape kits is a huge problem. > The difference I see between Dave McClure and Robert Scoble is…

> in practice police, prosecutors, and judges all too often don't treat it (or even actual rape) seriously.

You might have more experience with police, prosecutors, and judges than I do, but in my experience this isn't the case. I've known many to be dismissive of drug crimes and even property crimes, but sexual assaults and rape are both addressed earnestly.

That's not to say that sexual assaults and rapes are not nolle pros'd and often. As recent events demonstrate, unless people feel comfortable coming forward, then it is impossible to prove the case. The Confrontation Clause is an obstacle that is difficult to overcome in these cases without a profusely willing victim.

This is to say saying that law enforcement is the problem is an oversimplification.

> With regard to judges, the Stanford rape case is the banner example recently; but earlier in the chain the fact thatany departments collect but then do not process rape kits is a huge problem.

In a lot of states, crime labs are independent of police departments. There are severe backlogs because they are understaffed. If you want more processing, you need to ensure your state representatives properly fund these bodies.

Consequently, it's not up to the police in many cases when and if a rape kit is tested. Thankfully, there are organizations like SAKI[1] that are pursuing rape kit testing reform in many places where there are impediments to testing these kits.

[1]: https://www.sakitta.org/

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by tptacek »

mercer wrote: post #77
dragonwriter wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> E.g. groping - if we're talking "groped someone randomly, with their clothes on" and nothing more, then even if this gets reported, what could happen? It's both a tort and a crime, usually, so there is a lot that could happen; which is not to say that it is likely that the consequences available in principle would be applied.

If Scoble were to walk into a police station and explain in detail what he did and who he did it to, would there be ramifications?

No.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by belorn »

olliej wrote: post #20
justboxing wrote: post #18

Can't seem to find any details on the extent of his mis-behaviour. Wikipedia page says "sexually assaulted", and that "Sarah Seitz, a sustainability analyst at NASA, replied accusing Scoble of also having assaulted her" Isn't sexual assault a serious crime? Why didn't these women report it to the Police. Or does touching without consent or grabbing someone or trying to grope someone (like our current President is all…

Have you ever looked at the accounts of women who /have/ reported it? If it actually goes to trial basically the defense finds every single thing you ever did and tries to portray you as a slut who was asking for it. If the person is famous people will say you’re lying and trying to get rich out of a settlement. You’re required to repeatedly go over every step of the assault whether it was harassment or rape. They as…

What is the benefit of going public through media but not reporting it to the police? Do women really get less harassed from chan/Reddit if they only go public on media? How would trial by media be better for the victim? Trial by media benefits no one.

> you were partially responsible because you passed out (so it wasn’t rape)

In practically every country in the world it is rape if someone has sex with a unconscious person. What legal system where you referring to that has that as a legal defense?

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by albedoa »

belorn wrote: post #84
olliej wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever looked at the accounts of women who /have/ reported it? If it actually goes to trial basically the defense finds every single thing you ever did and tries to portray you as a slut who was asking for it. If the person is famous people will say you’re lying and trying to get rich out of a settlement. You’re required to repeatedly go over every step of the assault whether it was harassment or rape. They as…

What is the benefit of going public through media but not reporting it to the police? Do women really get less harassed from chan/Reddit if they only go public on media? How would trial by media be better for the victim? Trial by media benefits no one. > you were partially responsible because you passed out (so it wasn’t rape) In practically every country in the world it is rape if someone has sex with a unconscious…

> What is the benefit of going public through media but not reporting it to the police?

A much lower burden of proof with swifter, cheaper, and more certain consequences. Is this a serious question?

> Trial by media benefits no one.

What? Look no further than the story you’re replying to. Anyone who has to interact or was considering interacting with Scoble is now more informed and better off than they were before.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by belorn »

albedoa wrote: post #85
belorn wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the benefit of going public through media but not reporting it to the police? Do women really get less harassed from chan/Reddit if they only go public on media? How would trial by media be better for the victim? Trial by media benefits no one. > you were partially responsible because you passed out (so it wasn’t rape) In practically every country in the world it is rape if someone has sex with a unconscious…

> What is the benefit of going public through media but not reporting it to the police? A much lower burden of proof with swifter, cheaper, and more certain consequences. Is this a serious question? > Trial by media benefits no one. What? Look no further than the story you’re replying to. Anyone who has to interact or was considering interacting with Scoble is now more informed and better off than they were before.

olliej comment above says nothing about lower burden of proof with swifter, cheaper, and more certain consequences.

Harassment, personal and aggressive questioning from the public, low sentences, and general catastrophic impact on the victim from going public. Those were the arguments on why victims don't go public.

If lower burden of proof and harsher punishment for the accused is needed for victims to trust the legal system with sexual assault cases, then just be clear and advocate for that. The legal system can always be changed.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by pvg »

justboxing wrote: post #18

Can't seem to find any details on the extent of his mis-behaviour. Wikipedia page says "sexually assaulted", and that "Sarah Seitz, a sustainability analyst at NASA, replied accusing Scoble of also having assaulted her" Isn't sexual assault a serious crime? Why didn't these women report it to the Police. Or does touching without consent or grabbing someone or trying to grope someone (like our current President is all…

"Not trolling serious question."

Given how much has already been written about this, many times by the victims themselves, this is pretty much trolling and not a serious question.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by foo101 »

KGIII wrote: post #59
tptacek wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a hell of a curve he gets to take advantage of, but also, even Harvey Weinstein did better than this.

I did t read his, so have graded it yet.

Sorry to say this but people like you who do not understand the gravity of the crime or the appropriate way to address it are part of the problem.

It is ironical that the same kind of people think they are in any position to grade an apology relevant to this matter.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by foo101 »

throwa34943way wrote: post #55
dfabulich wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. This apology doesn't even say what he did wrong. (He "damaged trust," "caused pain," "behaved in ways that were inappropriate.") He didn't admit that he sexually harassed anyone, say nothing of sexual assault. Without a clear admission of what he did, I have no idea if he knows why it wa…

> A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. He might have apologized directly to his alleged victims we don't know that. I don't think he should admit anything to anyone else, but to his alleged victims on a personal level. If I read this forum, it sounds like nobody has never done anything wrong, behaved inappropriately in anyw…

> If I read this forum, it sounds like nobody has never done anything wrong, behaved inappropriately in anyway, ever.

This is false. Nothing in the forum implies that if one of the participants of this thread were to be found guilty of an inappropriate behavior, then they should be excused.

In fact, most of the discussion in this forum implies that if one of the participants of this thread, or anyone in the industry were found to be of inappropriate behavior, then it needs to be dealt with seriously.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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Post by DonHopkins »

baudehlo wrote: post #25
oxryly1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hence public announcements and public apologies are too be taken with (at least one) large grain of salt. It's up to his victims to forgive him -- not us.

Wait, what? Why does he need to be forgiven?

He wants to be forgiven, but he doesn't need or deserve to be.
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