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Re: Give researchers a lifetime word limit

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The lifetime word limit should not apply to papers publishing negative results. You may all congratulate me (financially) for solving the replication crisis.

Hah, people would find a way to hide some novel findings in an otherwise "negative result" paper and then extensively cite it in all future papers.

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This is a terrible idea. Here is a better idea: - Change tenure criteria to something closer to “number of students * average quality of dissertation” - Expect fewer (0-2) but higher-quality publications from grad students applying for tenure track positions.

I think it might be equally, if not, more important to graduate only a suitable number of students/postdocs so that the majority of those that want academic positions will find those openings available. I'm not sure how to balance these issues.

Fair point. This is a real issue in most non-engineering fields.

Maybe add a “% that get a job” factor.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it might be equally, if not, more important to graduate only a suitable number of students/postdocs so that the majority of those that want academic positions will find those openings available. I'm not sure how to balance these issues.

Fair point. This is a real issue in most non-engineering fields. Maybe add a “% that get a job” factor.

Also, in STEM fields.

Re: Give researchers a lifetime word limit

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It's amazing how much hand wringing is done about the symptoms of problems in academia (especially life sciences) without anyone actually addressing the root causes. The reason all of these problems exist is because the space is over populated, ruthlessly competitive, and under funded. It's really that simple. Create many more professorship positions for post docs, raise the NIH, NSF, and DOD research budgets to wher…

It seems psychology is over funded, considering how much garbage is constantly spewed out.

Re: Give researchers a lifetime word limit

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I think this problem has to be tackled at the level of the journals. Journals should not reward "interesting" or catchy results with publication. Instead, experiments should be accepted for publication before they are performed, and then published regardless of result. The criterion for evaluation should be methodological rigor and proven replicability, not potential for journalistic headlines. Change the incentives and you change the outcome. If scientists are rewarded for rigor (and they currently are NOT), they will bring rigor to their experiments. If they are rewarded for cutting corners, corners they will cut.If they don't they themselves will be cut from the profession as their CVs lag behind their less scrupulous peers.

Re: Give researchers a lifetime word limit

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"I firmly believe that this problem cannot be solved by more government money. If federal support for basic research were to be doubled (as many are calling for), the result would merely be to tack on a few more years of exponential expansion before we'd find ourselves in exactly the same situation again." David Goodstein, "The Big Crunch" http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dg/crunch_art.html

I had not read this before and that's a valid point, thanks for sharing. I think I would say two things to this. First, theoretically we could attack the problem from both sides. We could constrain supply in the way that med school prevents an oversupply of physicians while also increasing the total amount of resources available to those practicing science. More practically, I tend to believe that basic and translati…

Med school limits are a way for doctors to seize wealth from patients. The industry is reacting to their greed my moving work to nurses and PAs.

Re: Give researchers a lifetime word limit

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It's amazing how much hand wringing is done about the symptoms of problems in academia (especially life sciences) without anyone actually addressing the root causes. The reason all of these problems exist is because the space is over populated, ruthlessly competitive, and under funded. It's really that simple. Create many more professorship positions for post docs, raise the NIH, NSF, and DOD research budgets to wher…

It's funny how the solution to some people is throwing more money at whatever problem society faces... There are many problems with academia, sure funding is one of them, but it is by far not even close to top 5 in this case.

Re: Give researchers a lifetime word limit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I firmly believe that this problem cannot be solved by more government money. If federal support for basic research were to be doubled (as many are calling for), the result would merely be to tack on a few more years of exponential expansion before we'd find ourselves in exactly the same situation again." David Goodstein, "The Big Crunch" http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dg/crunch_art.html

I had not read this before and that's a valid point, thanks for sharing. I think I would say two things to this. First, theoretically we could attack the problem from both sides. We could constrain supply in the way that med school prevents an oversupply of physicians while also increasing the total amount of resources available to those practicing science. More practically, I tend to believe that basic and translati…

The supply constraints med schools impose most certainly are not to prevent "oversupply" of doctors. Depending on who you ask, there are two main reasons they exist. One view is that there's a finite amount of doctors willing to work at academic hospitals, and thus there's a limited amount of new medical students that can be adequately trained. Another view is that medical schools collude to form a guild to better separate the American populace from their money, by ensuring that doctors are always scarce relative to the demand for their services. This allows doctors to demand a dramatically higher compensation for their efforts than in other countries, despite being no better here than elsewhere.
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