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Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#11
I think for the audience I would want much less an apology and more an explanation: what was he thinking and how did he view women when he sexually harassed them and how has his mindset changed in how he views women that will cause him not to do it anymore?

It’s not for me to forgive him, but I can’t see an apology without an explanation as for how his mindset has changed and a full admission of not only his actions but the mindset that has caused these actions to occur. Otherwise he is being cheap and saying that just because he’s sober now his actions will drastically change without any evidence there’s any motivation to that change other than “oh shit got caught”.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#13
It's really upsetting to see men just need to say 'i see what I did was bad,I'm sorry, I'll try to fix it and be better'. But the victims, in this case are highly educated women, have to live with this painful experience the rest of their life.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some context on HN : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15511285

Additionally, the Facebook apology was immediately posted after new accusations on TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/20/robert-scoble-has-allegedl...

Aren't those 2 separate problems anyway ?

Many people are drunk or even alcoholic without assaulting others.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#15
As someone who does not live in the valley, I have to ask... What is wrong with you people?

Seriously!

Is this news? Man propositioned woman while drunk. REPEATEDLY! OMG does that mean more than once?!

Talking about apologizing to "his victims"... was there a crime committed?

If you don't call this out for being total nonsense then I call you for being a coward.

The rest of the world shakes it's collective head at you weak, weak people.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#16
Since he wants to be part of the solution I will give some ideas:

* Always have a chaperone (for meetings, business activities, work social events, etc) when women are present.

* Do not attend social functions unless your wife will be attending with you.

* Attend weekly cognitive behavioral therapy sessions.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#17
Well, it is sort of weak. But:

A) How many actually good examples do we have to draw upon? Most such things are pretty blatant attempts at saving face. This at least has some sincerity to it.

B) He isn't justifying, excusing or denying. He did quit drinking already, which is perhaps the most important thing he could do to prove he is taking it seriously that he needs to stop hurting other people. He is fairly realistic that being better in the future is the primary thing he can do. He also acknowledges that it doesn't undo his past actions or somehow make things okay for people he hurt.

Amends are really hard to do. They also don't always come in a form readily recognizable as directly related to the bad act.

Also, he kept it short and didn't make it about him and his big feels or sob story. It is reasonably gracious in that regard.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#18
Can't seem to find any details on the extent of his mis-behaviour. Wikipedia page says "sexually assaulted", and that "Sarah Seitz, a sustainability analyst at NASA, replied accusing Scoble of also having assaulted her"

Isn't sexual assault a serious crime? Why didn't these women report it to the Police. Or does touching without consent or grabbing someone or trying to grope someone (like our current President is alleged to have done to many women) also constitute sexual assault, but is generally not reported by the female victims for fear of getting ostracized or receive backlash from friends and co-workers?

[Not trolling serious question. The difference I see between Dave McClure and Robert Scoble is that the former was accused of 'sexual harrassment' whereas Robert Scoble appears to have been accused of 'sexual ASSAULT' by a couple of women atleast ]

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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As someone who does not live in the valley, I have to ask... What is wrong with you people? Seriously! Is this news? Man propositioned woman while drunk. REPEATEDLY! OMG does that mean more than once?! Talking about apologizing to "his victims"... was there a crime committed? If you don't call this out for being total nonsense then I call you for being a coward. The rest of the world shakes it's collective head at yo…

Yes, the interaction with Quinn was very obviously criminal sexual assault in the presence of many witnesses (who have confirmed it).

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#20

Can't seem to find any details on the extent of his mis-behaviour. Wikipedia page says "sexually assaulted", and that "Sarah Seitz, a sustainability analyst at NASA, replied accusing Scoble of also having assaulted her" Isn't sexual assault a serious crime? Why didn't these women report it to the Police. Or does touching without consent or grabbing someone or trying to grope someone (like our current President is all…

Have you ever looked at the accounts of women who /have/ reported it? If it actually goes to trial basically the defense finds every single thing you ever did and tries to portray you as a slut who was asking for it. If the person is famous people will say you’re lying and trying to get rich out of a settlement. You’re required to repeatedly go over every step of the assault whether it was harassment or rape. They ask if you orgasmed (because that means you wanted it), that your jeans were too tight for a rapist to remove them, you were partially responsible because you passed out (so it wasn’t rape), ...

Then even if they do get found guilty they punishment may be insignificant (think Stanford rapist)

And then there’s how you get penalized, irrespective of whether the person was found guilty * if you’re on social media you get harassed by the bigots on chan, Reddit, etc your name on google ends up publicizing the assault * if the person you’re accusing has power/influence you lose your career (which is why so many victims in film didn’t say anything about asshole guy). Tech has a similar problem - look at what happens to women who call out anything at tech conferences.

The result of saying anything is typically catastrophic to the victim and frequently has little impact on the abuser.

If you ever actually pay attention you can find out about the people women tell each other to avoid at cons or parties because they are known predators. Because doing it that way is less harmful or and damaging to your own life than going public.

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