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Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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I really want one of these, but the ergonomics look awful. Is there a technical reason they only come with low resolution (1080p) screens? (“Linux” is not a valid reason...) Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Does anyone own one? How is the trackpad / keyboard / battery life / fan noise? Maybe I can deal with 1080p in exchange for a reasona…

Yeah I would have bought one when I was shopping but numpads on a laptop are a terrible idea. I ended up going for a Dell Precision 15 instead.

> numpads on a laptop are a terrible idea.

I disagree completely. Having a numpad on a laptop is the only way of getting cursors and function keys (from Home to Insert to Delete) in a sane place. On my current laptop, were it not for a numpad, I'd have to press a Fn key every time I wanted to use Home/End. I'd also need to hunt for Delete somewhere above the Backspace, and PageUp/PageDown being on both sides of Up arrow (and close to it!) is simply infuriating. And it's a Dell Latitude[1], much better in this regard than tons of normal laptops.

I'm not against remapping some keys, but you need the physical keys to be there in the first place to remap to them! Without the numpad, disabling the irritatingly placed PageDown/PageUp keys would leave me without the keys completely.

There are downsides - mainly the fact that it's harder to work with a laptop actually on my lap, ie. it's harder to balance the device when most of the applied weight is on the left side, but I can deal with this with a $20 laptop tray. For additional $10 I can even get a tray with a place for an external mouse, although as I use trackballs exclusively I have little need for it.

[1] https://www.computershopper.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/ima...

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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Yeah I would have bought one when I was shopping but numpads on a laptop are a terrible idea. I ended up going for a Dell Precision 15 instead.

> numpads on a laptop are a terrible idea. I disagree completely. Having a numpad on a laptop is the only way of getting cursors and function keys (from Home to Insert to Delete) in a sane place. On my current laptop, were it not for a numpad, I'd have to press a Fn key every time I wanted to use Home/End. I'd also need to hunt for Delete somewhere above the Backspace, and PageUp/PageDown being on both sides of Up ar…

My HP laptop has a single column with delete/home/pgup/pgdn/end, like this: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3646...

This works very nicely for me.

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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post #22

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> numpads on a laptop are a terrible idea. I disagree completely. Having a numpad on a laptop is the only way of getting cursors and function keys (from Home to Insert to Delete) in a sane place. On my current laptop, were it not for a numpad, I'd have to press a Fn key every time I wanted to use Home/End. I'd also need to hunt for Delete somewhere above the Backspace, and PageUp/PageDown being on both sides of Up ar…

My HP laptop has a single column with delete/home/pgup/pgdn/end, like this: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3646... This works very nicely for me.

I could not deal with those arrow keys, though.

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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The products page of the linked article: https://puri.sm/products/ . That Librem 11 looks tempting...

Librem 11 looks tempting, but important to note that "To be announced (prototyping and supplier negotiations phase)" which probably means several more months...

and now they have a phone to build.

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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post #6

I really want one of these, but the ergonomics look awful. Is there a technical reason they only come with low resolution (1080p) screens? (“Linux” is not a valid reason...) Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Does anyone own one? How is the trackpad / keyboard / battery life / fan noise? Maybe I can deal with 1080p in exchange for a reasona…

1080p is considered low res! Crazy the times we live in. There are still laptop manufacturers making 1366x768 displays, the worst resolution ever invented.

I understand pixel density is nice, but for the vast majority of workflows you do not need anything better than 1080p on a 15" display.

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post #20
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I really want one of these, but the ergonomics look awful. Is there a technical reason they only come with low resolution (1080p) screens? (“Linux” is not a valid reason...) Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Does anyone own one? How is the trackpad / keyboard / battery life / fan noise? Maybe I can deal with 1080p in exchange for a reasona…

How is 1080p low resolution???

Compare that to the gdp pocket 7'' with 1920×1200.

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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post #6

I really want one of these, but the ergonomics look awful. Is there a technical reason they only come with low resolution (1080p) screens? (“Linux” is not a valid reason...) Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Does anyone own one? How is the trackpad / keyboard / battery life / fan noise? Maybe I can deal with 1080p in exchange for a reasona…

> Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI.

Agree. Is entering numbers with a numpad so common use case that it justifies the inclusion of mini-numpad at the cost of off-centering the main keyboard?

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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post #6

I really want one of these, but the ergonomics look awful. Is there a technical reason they only come with low resolution (1080p) screens? (“Linux” is not a valid reason...) Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Does anyone own one? How is the trackpad / keyboard / battery life / fan noise? Maybe I can deal with 1080p in exchange for a reasona…

How is 1080p low resolution???

It's more about DPI than the number of pixels ("resolution"). In more exact terms, the angular diameter of single pixel, or the ratio between DPI and viewing distance.

The resolution is good enough when you cannot anymore see any pixelization effect from typical viewing distances. 1920x1080 on 15" screen is not quite enough, 2560x1440 or 2880x1800 are better options.

I'm not sure what's the status of high-DPI support in FOSS graphics stacks today. The 1920x1080 may be practical choice, because it makes UI elements to look "normal size" on 15" screen without additional scaling. Without high-dpi mode, e.g. websites look way too tiny past 1080P (1 virtual pixel == 1 real pixel).

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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post #27
post #6

I really want one of these, but the ergonomics look awful. Is there a technical reason they only come with low resolution (1080p) screens? (“Linux” is not a valid reason...) Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Does anyone own one? How is the trackpad / keyboard / battery life / fan noise? Maybe I can deal with 1080p in exchange for a reasona…

> Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Agree. Is entering numbers with a numpad so common use case that it justifies the inclusion of mini-numpad at the cost of off-centering the main keyboard?

"Is entering numbers with a numpad so common use case that it justifies the inclusion of mini-numpad at the cost of off-centering the main keyboard?"

At least for me - definitely yes. I won't even look at the laptop that doesn't have dedicated numpad. I guess it's a matter of taste and use case.

Re: Purism Librem Laptops Completely Disable Intel’s Management Engine

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> Also, as much as I would like a 15” screen, the off center keyboard is a deal-breaker. It’s just asking for RSI. Agree. Is entering numbers with a numpad so common use case that it justifies the inclusion of mini-numpad at the cost of off-centering the main keyboard?

"Is entering numbers with a numpad so common use case that it justifies the inclusion of mini-numpad at the cost of off-centering the main keyboard?" At least for me - definitely yes. I won't even look at the laptop that doesn't have dedicated numpad. I guess it's a matter of taste and use case.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of work do you do?
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