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You might disagree with them, but were they violating the guidelines? Rules should not be selectively enforced, and made-up rules should definitely not be enforced.
I think they were violating guidelines in that they qualified as off-topic. Is that worth a flag? I'm not sure. But I don't think they should have been flagged "because I disagree with them."
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#272Also posts I made were deleted, not even allowed to be seen even as 'dead'
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I don't know why you're using my comment as a venue to litigate penalties applied to your account. The point here isn't "people like 'jsmthrowaway get penalized". They do. The point is "moderation is far more coherent and transparent now than it was in some supposed 'good old days'", when you could be shadowbanned simply for irritating Paul Graham.
And your point is wrong. You seemed to claim that in the dang era rank penalization is a thing of the past. You seem to claim that unsubstantive comments will no longer get you penalized. You are claiming that these decisions are more transparent and less arbitrary than under pg. All three are completely false, but you're just not subjected to them. I was not informed that I had been quietly penalized in any way unti…
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I've found moderation on HN to be a bit heavy handed recently. Specifically when it comes to the issue of sexism in SV. No matter the opinion, posts on this seem to get removed shortly after reaching the front page. Question for the mods: Why? It doesn't appear to be a bias towards either side. Is the perception just that people are tied of hearing about it? Why not let the users decide that?
Huge flame wars get a lot of upvotes and lots of comments -- but it's essentially the forum equivalent of candy. If you want your forum to have some nutritional value than you can't let the candy topics run rampant no matter how much people seem to want them.
Sez you. The unspoken premise is that nothing is so important that it's worth stopping to have an argument over. Perhaps I'm misreading your views, but when they're tossed out as an aphorism they come off as smug rather than substantive.
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I think it's entirely valid for me to present my case and submit it for the consideration of the community and the moderators. I don't understand what you're getting at here, you're not making a very compelling argument for anything in particular.
I think my point is pretty clear. In arguing that CNN's decision not to air your opinions in prime time is legitimate while HN's decision to be selective about what they'll provide a venue for isn't, you've accepted unquestioningly CNN's constraints while dismissing HN's. In both cases, you're applying an enormous amount of subjectivity. But you'd prefer not to acknowledge that, and so have instead attempted to refra…
I didn't think you had a point, it looked like you were asking contrived questions so you could antagonize him with his answers and "win" the argument, instead of just making your comment about subjectivity in the first place.
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#276Others have pointed out that if you want more discussion on X, you can go find it elsewhere. The point is that I want to see what HNers think about X — which is why I think a tool like this would be useful.
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#277I was actually going to build a tool that scrapes HN every couple minutes and looks for stories that were hot (on the front page) and then drops by 20+ slots. I've happened to be involved in a couple threads where this inexplicably happened, and I was unhappy to see the discussion being muted (people previously involved continued commenting, but no new people saw/joined the thread). I was going to show the buried pos…
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It's another example of women being sidelined. Most HN readers are male, and selfishly flag/downvote articles/comments about sexism because they want to read about the latest JavaScript framework instead.
That's not a helpful ingredient to pour into the well. You're basically just repeating a mental mock-up you have, not backed by data, only snark. Anyone who looks sincerely and closely will see how much more complex the situation is. Moreover, there's evidence that repeating such generalizations—even though you intend them critically—makes the environment less welcoming and poisons it further for the equality you'd p…
I have my doubts about how welcoming HN is for different demographics, and while the grandparent poster is handwaving things with a mental mockup as you say, absent transparency on moderation policies many people inevitably feel the same way about the moderation.
I mean, at present you have a bunch of secret rules to make everything run better. That works OK as a practical strategy, but it also reduces buy-in - which is why I get heavily downvoted any time I suggest that government intelligence services are inevitably going to adopt utility-maximizing strategies at the expense of liberty, no matter how many times I qualify this by saying I'm trying to be descriptive rather than prescriptive.
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And you long for the day when it's your particular brand of racism and sexism that wins? Seriously, can you stop with the "white men are all racist and sexist and are priveleged so my racism and sexism towards them doesn't count", please. Do you not think your sort of attitude contributes heavily; that is, some people shouldn't be allowed to comment because of their race/sex.
>And you long for the day when it's your particular brand of racism and sexism that wins? Beautifully put, the solution to sexism isn't more sexism.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Also, trollish usernames are trolling:
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...
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> There are no paid submissions to HN I don't mean to derail your point (because it's valid) but I don't believe this statement is true. YC companies can pay[0] to get recruitment posts on the frontpage of HN. [0]Note - I'm almost certain YC companies pay for this in some form (wether by cash or some other form) and would be happy for a YC company to confirm/deny.
I think that posting jobs directly to HN is another perk of being a YC company. As noted in the article, the mods can provide a definitive answer. For what it is worth: + I suspect the value of one good hire for one YC company is potentially orders of magnitude more money to YC than whatever it would charge companies multiplied by all the possible times all the YC companies might pay it. + The revenue model of YC doe…